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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26319509 - 11/14/19 10:03 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

What rights?  You know there’s not such thing as a “right” right? Like there’s no force field around you that prevents someone from infringing on your rights.

The 2nd amendment doesn’t exist, two examples,
John Crowford murdered by police for legal open carry of a replica weapon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III

Pilando Castile, avid gun enthusiast was murdered by police for legal open carry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile

Where are the protests and vitriol over this clear government violation of these men second amendment rights by champions of the 2nd amendment? I guess that’s saved for shouting at people on the internet about the exact definition of an assault weapon.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight] * 2
    #26319621 - 11/14/19 10:51 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I find these gun control disussions to be emotion driven for the most part, on either side.  Like many topics, most folks have made up their mind already and largely ignore anything resembling a valid point in opposition to their opinion.
Myself excluded, obviously.  :ruggedwink:


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #26319674 - 11/14/19 11:18 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Guns are good and people should be able to own them. But the degree to which we regulate them is vastly inadequate.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26319685 - 11/14/19 11:25 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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What rights?  You know there’s not such thing as a “right” right? Like there’s no force field around you that prevents someone from infringing on your rights.
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That's such a dumb argument.


What prevents someone from bricking you in the face cause you're exercising your first amendment "right"?  Do you have a force field around you?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26319691 - 11/14/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Oh indeed both sides are emotional, but only one side is claiming they are responsible enough to carry around a long range instant kill weapon.
It’s why I generally only have this conversation online, I don’t trust gun enthusiasts not to fly off the handle and try to use their gun to end the conversation.

Herbologist, so if the government can execute gun owners without any penalty, what does the 2nd amendment even do? Cause it clearly doesnt prevent the extrajudicial execution of gun owners by a tyrannical state!

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26319702 - 11/14/19 11:35 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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I find these gun control disussions to be emotion driven for the most part, on either side.  Like many topics, most folks have made up their mind already and largely ignore anything resembling a valid point in opposition to their opinion.
Myself excluded, obviously.  :ruggedwink:




Gun control discussions, and every other discussion we have around here. I'm convinced it's all about what we "like". We form coherent arguments and post links, but it's really just emotion.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26319704 - 11/14/19 11:37 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

That sounds like a phobic response rather than a rational fear but thats just, like, my opinion, man.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
    #26319730 - 11/14/19 11:49 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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The Founding Fathers wrote the second amendment specifically so we can kill tyrants, not hunt or defend our homes.  If these people get into the White House, your right to own AK or AR variants will be threatened.  They like to throw around that they are "weapons of war," that is specifically what our founders wanted





The original premise is that the second amendment was written so that citizens can kill tyrants. There's literally no proof that's true.




I think even koods knows this is wrong.





Proof, please. I want to see where the founding father's wrote into law a private citizens right to kill a tyrant. You provide that proof, and this conversation is over.



What are you still going on about?  You are the only person here stuck on not understanding what the founders wrote the 2nd amendment for.  It wasn't hunting.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26319733 - 11/14/19 11:49 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Nah it’s a response to having been around enough weapons to know the best way not to get accidentally or purposefully shot is to only be around people responsible enough to know when they shouldn't have a weapon.
Afterall it’s gun enthusiast who claim “an armed society is a polite society.” Actively confusing fear of being injured or killed for respect and politeness.
It’s also the vocal gun community that thinks their emotional reactions are logic, and that’s only a mild jump away from “they scared or disrespected me so it’s logical to shoot them to make them understand my pain”.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26319743 - 11/14/19 11:55 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Are you just making sweeping generalizations about gun owners or is there a point to what you're saying?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight] * 2
    #26319746 - 11/14/19 11:56 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

As someone who doesn't own a single firearm, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with much of that sentiment

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26319750 - 11/14/19 11:57 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

What sentiment exactly?

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26319808 - 11/14/19 12:29 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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The Founding Fathers wrote the second amendment specifically so we can kill tyrants, not hunt or defend our homes.  If these people get into the White House, your right to own AK or AR variants will be threatened.  They like to throw around that they are "weapons of war," that is specifically what our founders wanted





The original premise is that the second amendment was written so that citizens can kill tyrants. There's literally no proof that's true.




I think even koods knows this is wrong.





Proof, please. I want to see where the founding father's wrote into law a private citizens right to kill a tyrant. You provide that proof, and this conversation is over.



What are you still going on about?  You are the only person here stuck on not understanding what the founders wrote the 2nd amendment for.  It wasn't hunting.





Says you, the guy with imaginary proof to support your imaginary claim.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
    #26319935 - 11/14/19 01:24 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

A major issue is that the 2A is a proxy battle for multiple other issues so everyone often talks past each other.

You end up with people who don’t care about the 2nd amendment but want to argue, feel powerful and smug, so it’s not about details but about proving to themselves how awesome and winning they are over others.

Then there’s the 2A white nationalist dog whistle that will only defend the rights of white people and celebrates xenophobia with the NRA being a white nationalist organization. Which is why the NRA didnt care when black gun owners were murdered by the state.

Then there’s the theoretical rights defenders  that have taken a stance they believe is in support of ‘freedom’ against the government as if we are talking about the government banning a toy or private substance use they've only seen in movies and not a dangerous weapon.

Then there’s the childish gun owners who don’t want their toys taken away and dont care if other children have died because ruining their fun isn't fair.

Afterall can anyone here honestly say that when they see 2nd amendment advocates stirring shit for the sake of riling people up, pounding their chest, making basic mistakes and then flying off the handle at the tiniest offense and then think “Yeah I want them behind me with a loaded weapon!”

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26320090 - 11/14/19 02:34 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Do you know what folks did when they didnt like the 18th amendment anymore?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26320127 - 11/14/19 02:49 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Afterall can anyone here honestly say that when they see 2nd amendment advocates stirring shit for the sake of riling people up, pounding their chest, making basic mistakes and then flying off the handle at the tiniest offense and then think “Yeah I want them behind me with a loaded weapon!”





The same could be said for anti-gunners just running their mouth about how bad guns are.  Rifling people up, stirring the drama pot.  Pounding their chest because "they're right!"


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Herbologist]
    #26320200 - 11/14/19 03:08 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Meanwhile another school shooting by a 16 year old with a weapon.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26320214 - 11/14/19 03:11 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

.45 hand gun.

Hes too young to buy one, legally.


So how did he get it?  What about the laws already in place?



This is more political fuel from an unfortunate tragedy :sad:


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Herbologist]
    #26320232 - 11/14/19 03:22 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Thomas Jefferson;

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When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.




The problem with this quote is that there's no proof Thomas Jefferson said it. Yet it gets peddles as proof that this is what the second amendment is for all the time.

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/aug/19/facebook-posts/jefferson-didnt-say-people-should-be-armed-protect/


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
    #26320241 - 11/14/19 03:26 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

A govt that fears it's people results in

Prisons, jails and concentration camps

Excessive laws and punishments

Trigger happy security forces

Depressed economy


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