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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26317538 - 11/13/19 10:25 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Americans have a right to own ICBMs


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26317586 - 11/13/19 10:43 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Brian Jones said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/supreme-court-refuses-to-block-lawsuit-against-gun-manufacturer-brought-by-sandy-hook-families/ar-BBWE9Iw?ocid=spartandhp

The Supreme Court decided to allow a lawsuit by Sandy Hook parents against Remington for marketing 'the military style rifle used in the mass shooting "for use in assaults against human beings."' The ruling was based on a clause in the 2005 law protecting arms manufacturers from being liable for crimes committed by gun purchasers, which has an exception for violating rules related to advertising.




This is an attack on America.  Absolutely ridiculous.




This is the way it's going to go from now on. It's just like conservatives doing an end run against the Supreme Court on Roe v Wade with every possible regulation.

The 2nd Amendment isn't going away but the gun crowd is going to get hit in the pocketbook, from suing gunmakers to mandatory liability insurance for gun owners. With auto insurance you need coverage for every car you own. I think we can see where this is heading.





Some homeowners policies & umbrella policies already have wording that will defend you up to your limit of liability if you are defending yourself during an attack or home invasion and you get sued for it.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26317631 - 11/13/19 11:16 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Which war was the AR-15 used in?




Modeled after the m16.

Guns are still the #1 suicide choice.  If people really wanna blow their brains out.  It is unlikely that a gun owner will use their weapon for defense.  Much more likely to have an accident, commit homocide or suicide.

But due to the politicalization of the right.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #26318494 - 11/13/19 07:42 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

This thread is literally me saying a truth: Democrats hate the second amendment, and people either agreeing, disagreeing, or disagreeing and telling me how we need MORE gun control to ban all the popular firearms(but they still support the second amendment, remember!)



Anyone that's read along has basically figured out the truth, that my original post is right, and when Trump wins again, and I tell you The Gun Vote helped it along, you will just say I am a gun nut retard again, This is not new.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26318529 - 11/13/19 08:04 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Sure sure, but can you tell me where in the second Amendment it says I can’t own a grenade launcher, or RPG but I can own a military loadout AR-15?

Can you also tell me what republican protests were staged when the government executed a legal gun owner over his “Second Amendment” rights?

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight] * 1
    #26318581 - 11/13/19 08:26 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

You can own a grenade launcher, you need specific ATF paperwork I am pretty sure though to own the HE round.

I am not sure what a military loaded AR-15 even is


an RPG you can build in your basement regardless but I am almost sure you might be able to own explosives like that with the right paperwork.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26318603 - 11/13/19 08:40 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Where in the second amendment can I find this paperwork?

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight] * 1
    #26318616 - 11/13/19 08:46 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

In the original 16 words you won't find what you are looking for, if you are even looking for anything in particular exactly, or are just being facetious I am not sure, but the interpretation of The Constitution is what has lead us in America here:


https://www.atf.gov/explosives/how


Enjoy.  If you are still confused, I am unable to help you.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26318721 - 11/13/19 09:38 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

For being so smug you could at least check that it’s 27 words in the constitution.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26318769 - 11/13/19 10:07 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

O you're right, I am drinking, 16 vs 27 doesnt change anything, keep hating inalienable rights though.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26319165 - 11/14/19 07:05 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

People don't hate the second amendment.  People hate people that think they need guns.  A bunch of rednecks cooking up meth don't need guns.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #26319205 - 11/14/19 07:27 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Thats as stupid to say as it would be to say that all blacks you see loitering on a corner will sell you crack if you ask.
Or that mexicans do landscaping/housekeeping.
Or all asains look alike.
Or italians are greasy.
Or germans don't understand jokes/humor.
Austrailians are upside down.
I'm white, I might have a gun, I don't make/use meth, I've never fucked a family member and have 98% of my teeth.
So what now? I've shit all over your model for white american gun ownership.
Why not ask black gun owners why they have their guns, see what other generalizations you can turn up since you've clearly got the world all figured out.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: drege]
    #26319275 - 11/14/19 08:03 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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The Founding Fathers wrote the second amendment specifically so we can kill tyrants, not hunt or defend our homes.  If these people get into the White House, your right to own AK or AR variants will be threatened.  They like to throw around that they are "weapons of war," that is specifically what our founders wanted





The original premise is that the second amendment was written so that citizens can kill tyrants. There's literally no proof that's true. If it were true, there would be law exempting the murder of tyrants, and there is not. Many people, not just democrats, have read the second amendment and realize that it allows people to own guns. All the surrounding precedent agrees. In this day and age there are basically only two practical reasons to own a gun, 1) to protect yourself in the slim likelihood of an attack on you or your family, 2) to go hunting. The other and more honest scenario is that guns are fun and it makes a good hobby. All other scenarios are based on grandiose fan fiction. That includes fighting invasions from illegal immigrants, fighting tyrannical leaders, protecting the country in a ground invasion, and a long list of other reasons for gun masturbation, etc.. We have a professional military to do all those things. I guess there is one reasonable use I left out, and it's already been mentioned, that being suicide. Yay!

So in a society where guns are legal, and by and large most gun owners are good reasonable people who enjoy their gun hobby in a responsible manner, it would also be reasonable that those people steward their hobby in a reasonable way. If you look around, you'll find the largest steward of the hobby doesn't have the hobbyists in mind at all, instead they are there tp protect an industry that sells guns. Effectively, the NRA serves to protect profit. So it's a touchy scenario for gun owners, because they don't have much leadership protecting their hobby. Until they do, there will be chipping away of their rights.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: drege]
    #26319301 - 11/14/19 08:16 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Why?  Are you a redneck?

Do you live around red necks?  It is well known redneck white trash states enjoy meth and oc's.

And no, it's not a racial statement like you claim.

Everyone knows a lot of black guys will steal your drug money before sell you drugs.  The rest of your stink isn't at all correlated.

Edited by Morel Guy (11/14/19 08:20 AM)

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
    #26319323 - 11/14/19 08:27 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)


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PreparationH said:
The Founding Fathers wrote the second amendment specifically so we can kill tyrants, not hunt or defend our homes.  If these people get into the White House, your right to own AK or AR variants will be threatened.  They like to throw around that they are "weapons of war," that is specifically what our founders wanted





The original premise is that the second amendment was written so that citizens can kill tyrants. There's literally no proof that's true.




I think even koods knows this is wrong.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
    #26319326 - 11/14/19 08:29 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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This thread is literally me saying a truth: Democrats hate the second amendment





Absolutely not a “truth”


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26319333 - 11/14/19 08:32 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

A firearm is a weak symbol of power.  They cause more problems than solutions.  Most people with a firearm I'll never trust.  Too many goof offs out there.

A good fire arm owner should keep there weapons locked up 99.9% of the time. 

My opinion is a firearm makes people paranoid.  That even the most level headed will be more paranoid having a firearm.  Look at cops, they're extremely paranoid and have guns.  The military even more so.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26319350 - 11/14/19 08:41 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think humans live well with murderous intent.  It is a bad and unhealthy mentality.  A weapon is that intent.  It is it's design.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26319452 - 11/14/19 09:28 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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PreparationH said:

Quote:

PreparationH said:
The Founding Fathers wrote the second amendment specifically so we can kill tyrants, not hunt or defend our homes.  If these people get into the White House, your right to own AK or AR variants will be threatened.  They like to throw around that they are "weapons of war," that is specifically what our founders wanted





The original premise is that the second amendment was written so that citizens can kill tyrants. There's literally no proof that's true.




I think even koods knows this is wrong.





Proof, please. I want to see where the founding father's wrote into law a private citizens right to kill a tyrant. You provide that proof, and this conversation is over.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #26319478 - 11/14/19 09:43 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Ah yes I’m sure the killing Tyrants clause is in the 16 word version but was removed when they added more words.

Which is the problem with so many discussions about the 2nd amendment with gun nutz.  They don’t care about facts, they just want to be right without being challenged, so you get hand waving when it comes to important things like what the 2ndA actually says, and lots of emotional gnashing of teeth and paragraph after paragraph about how that’s a magazine not a clip, or what “assault” means. Details only matter if they can be used against others, because when it comes right down to it, most gun nutz are scared children that need to feel in control and have been convinced by gun lobbyists that buying their product and defending their profits is how to gain back control.

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