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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26262690 - 10/19/19 09:39 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

auto-loading rifles are targeted because they are seen as the low hanging fruit.  It doesn't matter that they are not often used in shootings of any kind.  What matters is the public perception of rifles with plastic furniture being scary looking and the fact that the sub-section of gun owners with these firearms is fairly small and relatively easy to disenfranchise compared to the much more substantial group who own handguns.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26262719 - 10/19/19 09:55 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Banning handguns would require getting rid of the second amendment. Not so with “assault rifles.” The reason lawmakers focus on those guns is becasue it is politically feasible.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26262722 - 10/19/19 09:58 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, it is largely a political stunt.  I'm glad we can agree on something with regard to this issue


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26262727 - 10/19/19 10:00 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I was going to say that but you beat me to it. It was two different ways of saying the same thing.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26262729 - 10/19/19 10:00 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

We need to get rid of the second amendment. It will happen eventually.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26262733 - 10/19/19 10:04 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I'm glad that someone on your side of the debate is honest enough to admit the real objective in sensationalizing this issue


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26262739 - 10/19/19 10:05 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Chicago’s ban on the sale and transfer of firearms ended in January 2014. Chicago is a perfect example of successful gun control laws. The homicide rate in Chicago has more than doubled since the law was overturned.



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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26262756 - 10/19/19 10:10 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

looks like the homicide rate in chicago followed the worldwide trend.  You know, the worldwide trend that saw similar rates of decline in the developed world regardless of the level of gun control.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26262767 - 10/19/19 10:14 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Is Chicago still following that trend?

Chicago homicide rate dropped  the most between 1994 and 2004. When was the assault weapons ban in the books? As soon as the ban was lifted the homicide rate stopped going down.

There’s a lot of correlation there you can’t ignore


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26262776 - 10/19/19 10:19 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

That’s just correlation. Is it possible there is another factor affecting the difference? That would certainly make a good political talking point. Does the source expressly claim that the difference is because of the change in law as you’ve mentioned? It could be due to the introduction of body cams on police, or more people having smart phones.

I heard a claim just yesterday that honocide is down globally, because more people have phones now. Which means an ambulance is more likely to get there and save them, not because there are fewer shootings. AI’m not claiming that is the case here, I’ve only seen this chart you showed, in just showing another possible explanation to explain this correlation.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26262777 - 10/19/19 10:19 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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The homicide rate in Chicago has more than doubled since the law was overturned




Is that following worldwide trends? Or maybe there’s something else that could explain the explosion in gun crime locally - like the overturning of the strictest gun control law in the country.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26262831 - 10/19/19 10:45 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

interesting that you chose 2016 as the cutoff despite the existence of more recent data...

https://home.chicagopolice.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/1_PDFsam_CompStat-Public-2019-Week-41.pdf

Check the historical comparison section


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26262861 - 10/19/19 10:56 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

That was just a convenient chart to show what happened after 2014.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26262900 - 10/19/19 11:11 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

well, the rate has declined by 31% since the end of your graph.  Were there some new gun control measure enacted in that time?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26263752 - 10/19/19 04:55 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Its really not that well defined what and what is, due to the bureaucratic bullshit on the left over the last three decades the definitions that classify pistol, SMG, MG, AR, LG and SBR are so convoluted it takes scores of lawyers to break it down.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: drege]
    #26263773 - 10/19/19 05:01 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Read the Connecticut law. It is very detailed and also has an extensive list of exactly which weapons are banned.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26263785 - 10/19/19 05:08 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I just did and it's just another law written by people that don't know shit about firearms or use it as just one more way to chip away.


"1) A folding or telescoping stock; 2) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, or other stock that would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing; 3) A forward pistol grip; 4) A flash suppressor; or 5) A grenade or flare launcher




None of this makes you safer, which is what we have all been saying forever.


Give a mass shooter a glock and they can clear as many unarmed people out of a room as with an AK-47, this shit is so stupid and you at least understand that it seems yet use it to ban guns because you are anti-2nd amendment. 


I know I know, "ban glocks" is next.  No thanks.  Cold dead hands etc.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26263819 - 10/19/19 05:20 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah that's literally the only difference between a ar-15 and any other gun. A fucking pistol grip lmao! People are so fucking stupid that they think the ar-15 is a more effective killing machine because of a fucking handle! We're living in a age where the Republicans are more intelligent than the Democrats. It use to be the other way around. Everything is absolutely crazy right now and it's kind of scary..

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
    #26263853 - 10/19/19 05:42 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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I just did and it's just another law written by people that don't know shit about firearms or use it as just one more way to chip away.


"1) A folding or telescoping stock; 2) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, or other stock that would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing; 3) A forward pistol grip; 4) A flash suppressor; or 5) A grenade or flare launcher




None of this makes you safer, which is what we have all been saying forever.


Give a mass shooter a glock and they can clear as many unarmed people out of a room as with an AK-47, this shit is so stupid and you at least understand that it seems yet use it to ban guns because you are anti-2nd amendment. 


I know I know, "ban glocks" is next.  No thanks.  Cold dead hands etc.




You think the Las Vegas shooter could have shot over 500 people with a glock? And you think you’re the expert on firearms. :laugh2:

A bullet fired from a long gun can travel faster than the speed of sound of human flesh. This creates a shockwave that is very destructive for quite a distance from the path of the billet. Wounds from a handgun are not as deadly. If we have to force mass shooters to use handguns, a lot more people would survive their wounds.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
    #26263916 - 10/19/19 06:16 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

So which gun control bill precipitated the 31% decline in homicides in chicago between 2016 and the present?


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