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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
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Turns out the rally in Richmond was a total flop.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
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How so?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH] * 2
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No one got shot, could see the disappointment from the MSM.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: SirTripAlot]
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The interviews I heard were totally reasonable. Lot's of gun hobbyists being honest about their hobby.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
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PreparationH said:
How so?


All I saw today was coverage of the impeachment of your savior


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
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Cosplay for dotards



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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
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I am going to take a guess that homeboy couldnt make it up a flight of stairs....with or without that gear.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: SirTripAlot]
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I like his scarf.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
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Lol, and the crime scene tape armbands.


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera] * 1
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christopera said:
No, not at all.

If you wanted to promote gun ownership you’d be giving out money to citizens so that they could buy the firearms they prefer, not artificially picking companies for your gun lobby to back.

And maybe, you’d stop lobbying and start building relations with those who want you gone so that you could responsibly guide the hobby forward in the context that society is demanding. Instead, it’s all about profits.

See the disconnect? Ones about gun companies and profits. The other is about citizens.


If you're protecting the companies right to sell guns (for potential profit), you're also protecting the right to purchase the guns.

Yes, profits = the ability to purchase guns.

What is "society" demanding here?  Some people want gun rights, some don't.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: qman]
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So if the companies raise their prices to $1M per gun, then you've protected the right to buy guns?

No. Stop being daft. You are always bitching about the elite. This is a perfect example of the elite running a top down approach to "protecting gun rights" when in reality if that they were interested in that they'd be working with communities and building reliable relationships so that gun owners aren't alienated. They aren't doing that though.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
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Apparently 22k people showed up in VA.  I liked the sheriff's saying they won't enforce these infringements anyways.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera] * 1
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christopera said:
So if the companies raise their prices to $1M per gun, then you've protected the right to buy guns?

No. Stop being daft. You are always bitching about the elite. This is a perfect example of the elite running a top down approach to "protecting gun rights" when in reality if that they were interested in that they'd be working with communities and building reliable relationships so that gun owners aren't alienated. They aren't doing that though.


Gun companies set a price for their guns to maximize profitability, that's what the shareholders demand. If they can hike the price without hurting sales, that's what they'll do. It's no different than selling potato chips.

How are gun owners alienated and why should gun companies be working with communities? The only thing gun companies need to serve are their customers.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: qman]
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You aren’t saying anything.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
You aren’t saying anything.


You're making generalizations and when questioned on it, you ignore it. 

You do realize that the NRA can serve the gun companies and their members at the same time by promoting the same exact agenda?  Just because the gun companies benefit from their pro-gun movement, it doesn't mean that gun right advocates don't also benefit as well.

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christopera said:
You aren’t saying anything.


Based on the arguments thus far, I'll take qman's side on this in that I haven't seen any evidence of the NRA "artificially picking companies for your gun lobby to back" and I think it is definitely best for the NRA's bottom line to protect everyone's right to purchase arms.

Though frankly, I don't care about gun laws one way or the other.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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qman said:
christopera said:
So if the companies raise their prices to $1M per gun, then you've protected the right to buy guns?

No. Stop being daft. You are always bitching about the elite. This is a perfect example of the elite running a top down approach to "protecting gun rights" when in reality if that they were interested in that they'd be working with communities and building reliable relationships so that gun owners aren't alienated. They aren't doing that though.


Gun companies set a price for their guns to maximize profitability, that's what the shareholders demand. If they can hike the price without hurting sales, that's what they'll do. It's no different than selling potato chips.

How are gun owners alienated and why should gun companies be working with communities? The only thing gun companies need to serve are their customers.


qman said:
christopera said:
You aren’t saying anything.


You're making generalizations and when questioned on it, you ignore it. 

You do realize that the NRA can serve the gun companies and their members at the same time by promoting the same exact agenda?  Just because the gun companies benefit from their pro-gun movement, it doesn't mean that gun right advocates don't also benefit as well.


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christopera said:
You aren’t saying anything.


Based on the arguments thus far, I'll take qman's side on this in that I haven't seen any evidence of the NRA "artificially picking companies for your gun lobby to back" and I think it is definitely best for the NRA's bottom line to protect everyone's right to purchase arms.

Though frankly, I don't care about gun laws one way or the other.



qman's point is that the NRA, is by proxy serving the citizens, when they promote gun sales. My point is that the NRA is representing gun manufacturers more heavily, and in doing so, is going against the best interest of gun hobbyists.

The problem is that NRA is not a consumer group, it's an industry group that takes donations from consumers. This is proven by the fact that the gun industry makes the bulk of its revenue from military side sales, meanwhile the majority of the NRA's funding comes from those same corporations. So, who is the NRA's customer then? Well, the NRA has ignored it's citizen members time and time again. Approximately 80% of citizens that donate want mandatory background checks ( https://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2018/feb/27/tim-ryan/after-parkland-shooting-ohio-congressman-said-70-8/ ). Yet, despite their citizen member preference, the NRA opposes this ( https://www.nraila.org/get-the-facts/background-checks-nics/ ). Why could that be? Their largest contributors don't support background checks.

Meanwhile, Virginia loses it's Republican leadership, the very state that the NRA is based in. Additionally, Republicans lost that state while the Democrats ran on a heavy gun regulation platform. So, we potentially have a chipping away of the gun rights the NRA wants, i.e. no background checks on private sales. Despite that it's citizen members want that, all while Virginia elections favor similar plans. So in summary, the rules creep is not only in favor of those who wants more checks and balances on gun owners, but it's what the NRA's own members are saying they want. How is the NRA's opposition to it's citizen membership helping them? Unless they are all seeing, it seems the NRA's motivations aren't there to protect their citizen member's desires at all.

Here's a few more points;



Again, simply promoting gun sales does not mean that you are doing what is best for gun hobbyists. If that were the case, the NRA's citizen members wouldn't be trying to promote greater checks/barriers on gun sales.


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The interviews I heard were totally reasonable. Lot's of gun hobbyists being honest about their hobby.



What’s a gun hobbyist ? I think people who like to hunt with large caliber air rifles are “” gun hobbyists “
  If your reaction to minor gun legislation is to cover yourself in swasticas and go full retard on Martin Luther king day then guns are not your hobby , it’s something else ,


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Psilynut2] * 2
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The lib media has gotta be so pissed that it all went peacefully :lol:

You know they wanted a violent outbreak that would have been a juicy story for them.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
What’s a gun hobbyist ? I think people who like to hunt with large caliber air rifles are “” gun hobbyists “
  If your reaction to minor gun legislation is to cover yourself in swasticas and go full retard on Martin Luther king day then guns are not your hobby , it’s something else ,


Lot's of people enjoy guns, shooting guns, talking guns. They are into the hobby. They don't have any delusion of grandeur, they just enjoy guns. I'd put myself into this category.

Yeah, when you start fantasizing about using guns for things like, murder, war, unofficial defense of the country, that's where things get sketchy. Because guns deserve respect, as do our fellow citizens, and there's nothing fun about murder or war.


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