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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
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Haha, like the government is scared of our punny little guns.

ballsalsa said:
Do you know what folks did when they didnt like the 18th amendment anymore?


This isnt the 18th amendment.
So what sentiment did you disagree with exactly?

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH]
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PreparationH said:
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PreparationH said:
The Founding Fathers wrote the second amendment specifically so we can kill tyrants, not hunt or defend our homes.  If these people get into the White House, your right to own AK or AR variants will be threatened.  They like to throw around that they are "weapons of war," that is specifically what our founders wanted



The original premise is that the second amendment was written so that citizens can kill tyrants. There's literally no proof that's true.


I think even koods knows this is wrong.


No proof whatsoever. Its a fantasy invented by the NRA


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
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StygianKnight said:
Haha, like the government is scared of our punny little guns.

ballsalsa said:
Do you know what folks did when they didnt like the 18th amendment anymore?


This isnt the 18th amendment.
So what sentiment did you disagree with exactly?


That your position is a rational one.
So why is the amendment number relevant?  Is the process different depending on which prior amendments you're nullifying?

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
Thomas Jefferson;

Quote:
When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.


The problem with this quote is that there's no proof Thomas Jefferson said it. Yet it gets peddles as proof that this is what the second amendment is for all the time.

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/aug/19/facebook-posts/jefferson-didnt-say-people-should-be-armed-protect/


Making up quotes from the founding fathers is an American pastime


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: koods]
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That or being a residential know it all cause you watched a residential know it all on the news.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
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Ah I see, so no specifics on what’s not rational or why you don’t think it’s rational, just that it’s not rational.  Ok, um, cool for that random opinion I guess.

Well yes, since the 21st amendment didn’t repeal one of the ten bill of rights but instead an amendment passed 20 or so years earlier, making both the 18th amendment and it’s repeat an inherently different beast.  The climate that passed prohibition ultimately resulted in its appeal, in part due to prohibition being a proxy fight for Women’s vote and many prohibitionists were women suffragettes.  The combination of the passing of the 19th amendment and the fact prohibition was being ignored even by the government itself, resulted in the eventual repeal of prohibition, in some cases by the same politicians that were smashing rum barrels before.

So I mean, yes the only comparison between the 2nd amendment and the 18 and 21st amendments is that they are amendments.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
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Not really.  Political social movements.

The Govt by the people, not a govt by special interest groups such as the nra.

My grandma marched FOR alcohol prohibition.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Morel Guy]
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As did many women, there’s a good chance your grandma was highly religious, a suffragette or both!

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
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Is or isn't there a consistant procedure for amending the constitution contained within the document itself?

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
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StygianKnight said:
As did many women, there’s a good chance your grandma was highly religious, a suffragette or both!



She wasn't entirely religious as she left the Catholic church over their birth control policy.  I think it was just popular at the time from what I heard.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
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StygianKnight said:
Haha, like the government is scared of our punny little guns.


I know. It is hilarious. Unless the military turns sides, the gun owners could never stop the government.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Brian Jones]
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US Military tends to be more Republican.  Go figure.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: PreparationH] * 3
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393,347,000 is the estimated number of guns in Americans possession. 1,073,743 is the registered number of guns.

Having more weapons than all of the police forces in America combined, coupled with the fact that you would need to make other American citizens (army, police, nat. gaurd) kill fellow citizens (which in itself is an act of tyranny).
Same goes for using nukes (not even counting the irreparable damage that using such weapons would do to the environment/economy) Would immediately invalidate any leaders claim that they are fit to rule, even in the event of a full blown revolt. Likewise using tanks and drone strikes on your own country is a surefire way to lose the citizens confidence.

The Armed forces, which is mainly made up of southern/mideast state residents, would experience mass desertion the moment it was used in the effort to disarm civilians. So their only hope is to legislate it away bit by bit, that is why we are so vehemently against amendment infringing legislation.

3d Printing has changed the nature of what a gun can be, Namely a first amendment protected document, So as you try to remove that you already begin a legal advance against your own rights.

I already posted DIY scrap metal arms, which can be made from the contents of any homedepot/lowes/ACE for 1/6 the cost of a manufactured firearm.

Armed Forces Sources =D

Source


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Zyiadem]
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lol printed guns. Good luck going up against the us army with a plastic gun.


Why do conservatives always engage in seditious talk like this? Not very patriotic to obsess about overthrowing the US government. Don’t forget the US constitution allows congress to strip citizens of their rights for sedition. You guys are gonna talk your way into having your guns seized.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (11/15/19 09:14 AM)

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Morel Guy]
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Ah yes, so I’m betting a Suffragette!
Not to get too much into history but alcohol got the blame for a lot of men being losers and not just beating their wives but alcohol was supposably the root cause of excessive gambling, prostitution, taking the lords name in vain, etc.  Many women who had no rights and no vote were reliant on men who they then watched piss away what would have been food on their table at the gambling establishment getting drunk.  Eventually they couldn’t take it and in at least one famous case took a hatchet to a bar and smashed up every bottle and barrel.

This not only showed the power women had if they were organized but provided reason for women to gather in larger groups to discuss what say they should have over things.  While not every prohibitionist woman supported the vote, there’s a really larger overlap and had they thought they could have gotten away with it, prohibition would have included “and women have the right to vote.”

In this case, to answer dumb rhetorical questions is that we don’t infact know if the US has an effective means to repeal an amendment since it’s only ever been used once, under circumstances that make it more like repealing half an amendment while also leaving our constitution full of the dead junk of old amendments. 

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Army vs guns


It doesn’t matter how many guns there are, they aren’t going to penetrate an armored vehicle like a tank or troop carrier.  Even AP rounds are meant for armored personnel and not for stopping vehicles.  Beyond that, few if anyone can shoot down a drone.  To face a modern military, high explosives are a requirement.  This is why in Iraq the military didn’t care about guns but worried a lot about IEDs.  To contend with a modern 20th century military, the ability to crack open tanks is a must.  Good luck convincing the government you need lots of RDX in case they attack, that will get you on a watch list, but they will happily allow you to buy as many rounds that will splatter off armor as you want!

The police kill over 1000 people every year, I don’t think we can speculate that authoritarians won’t be happy to kill other americans.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: StygianKnight]
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It wasn't rhetorical.  There either is a procedure in place for amending the constitution or not.  My guess is that there must be, based on the sheer number of times it has been done.  If you have some compelling argument in opposition, I'm all ears.

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: ballsalsa]
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A rhetorical question is one that makes a statement and isn’t looking for a real answer.
You clearly weren’t asking a question but were making a statement.  That makes it a rhetorical question.  As in, you knew the answer.

Good, I’m glad you’ve figured out the basics, now I’d like to sell you this Van that certainly contains a method for slowing down.  Interested?

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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Zyiadem]
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Zyiadem said:
The Armed forces, which is mainly made up of southern/mideast state residents, would experience mass desertion the moment it was used in the effort to disarm civilians. So their only hope is to legislate it away bit by bit, that is why we are so vehemently against amendment infringing legislation.



What the fuck is a mideast state?


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: christopera] * 1
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christopera said:
What the fuck is a mideast state?


It is like the midwest, but East.

koods said:
lol printed guns. Good luck going up against the us army with a plastic gun.

Why do conservatives always engage in seditious talk like this? Not very patriotic to obsess about overthrowing the US government. Don’t forget the US constitution allows congress to strip citizens of their rights for sedition. You guys are gonna talk your way into having your guns seized.


All I say is a purely hypothetical thought experiment, none of my words statements or links are intended to incite violence or seditious acts against corrupt members of state, Non-corrupt members of state, members of state who have gone against their vows to protect the constitution, or members of state who participate in pedophilia related acts on Epstein's rape island. Any violent or seditious acts, or perpetrators citing my words,statements or links does not have my encouragement orders or hopes.
Happy?

Anywho, why would anyone rebelling fight the army at all? If they come give up your registered guns and wait till they leave, build more guns and distribute them to those who had their guns taken. its kinda foolproof. Members of state and the dictator that does it are the ones who would (hypothetically of course) be targeted.

It's funny none of you care that your first amendment rights get gutted as long as guns go down with them. Shows a real maturity in character to be able to compromise like that, or maybe you just don't understand how legal precedents work.


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Re: The second amendment is not compatible with the Democratic party. [Re: Zyiadem]
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You're making up terms about U.S. geography. The Midwest is a fairly well defined area that is bordered by various rivers, and it neighbors the east, but nobody has ever used the "mideast" to describe any part of the U.S.. Unless you want to describe the middle of the East, which is still, the East. Additionally, The South is the south most of the 13 original colonies starting at Tennessee and West Virginia. Southern California and Texas aren't included in that.

As to your comment about first amendment rights, how exactly have they been gutted and how are second amendment rights going down with them?

Finally, your fan fiction was enjoyable. It is indeed a good thought experiment.


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