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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: superdan]
#26052947 - 06/14/19 07:42 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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superdan said: can you put perlite under the mix? instead of puting the monotub on top of the perlite.
what?
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I've got pins!!! [Re: Ziran]
#26073448 - 06/25/19 05:42 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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as a casing layer. Just an idea. But would it inhibit mycelium growth?
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Re: I've got pins!!! [Re: superdan]
#26073464 - 06/25/19 05:52 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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superdan said: as a casing layer. Just an idea. But would it inhibit mycelium growth?
Perlite as a casing layer....no..just no.
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Re: I've got pins!!! [Re: Tormato]
#26073500 - 06/25/19 06:09 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tormato said:
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superdan said: as a casing layer. Just an idea. But would it inhibit mycelium growth?
Perlite as a casing layer....no..just no.

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I mispoke [Re: Trich]
#26079799 - 06/28/19 07:32 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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not a casing layer. underneath it all. I went back and started reading mushroom cultivator from 1983 and realized my mistake. Frackin nube
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time heals all wounds [Re: Trich]
#26091949 - 07/05/19 05:42 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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agar said:

The CASING LAYER above is a mixture (by volume) of:
5 parts course vermiculite. 3 parts perlite (treated -> see note) 1 part hydrated coir. 1 part oyster shell flour
NOTE: 1/2 the volume of perlite used. Was ground to a chunky flour consistency in a food processor. Then, remixed the the chunky perlite.
I have been tinkering with trying to find a "casing" mixture. That, requires no pH adjustment. (other than long term & could even be omitted))
As pH adjustment of peat is where many novices FAIL. 
I am not aware of any of the numerous casing mixture recipes. That contain PERLITE:
Researching the properties of perlite. I found this information.
Water retention by horticultural perlite is not an indiscriminate action.
The amount of water adsorbed on the surface of perlite particles is a function of the particle size distribution.
Coarser perlite particles holds less water than finer particles.
Thus, by adjusting the range of particle size employed.
The amount of moisture retained can be regulated to suit particular requirements.
Given that fact.
I decided to try perlite in a casing mixture.
I also included "coir" for this reason. Coir will colonize rapidly. Which should bring mycelium to the casing layer surface rapidly. (CAC'ing effect)
I first hydrated the coir. So, the volumes would be equal.
Then, added all ingredients. Measured with a measuring cup.
Then continued to hydrate the mixture. Until is would pass a hand "squeeze" test. Meaning, when you pick up a handful, it doesn't drip. And, when you give it a firm gentle squeeze, it does drip. (drip, not pour out)
I then bagged up the mixture. (plastic bag) Used a rubber band to close the bag. (not so tight, steam cannot escape) Nuked the bag 3 times, for 5 minutes. (flipping between each sequence)
Then, sealed the bag tight & cooled overnight.
Casing layer was applied to a colonized tray, today.
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
#26164407 - 09/01/19 08:30 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you think something along these lines might work for fruiting pans and mexicanas?
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: bongoman]
#26176974 - 09/09/19 01:16 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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hmmm, I don't see why not. if your conditions are on point yeah. Its definitely a lot more humid inside the hybrid chamber than a standard SGFC
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
#26500983 - 02/24/20 06:40 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi Hero,
can you tell me how you dealt with temp. maintenance with your Grow Tek? I am new to growing and want my first grow to work well.
I was thinking of heating rey berry bags in my 70 qt tub. Bags on a rack and heating pad inside the tub on a towel so I am only heating the air.
Then after mixing inoculated berries in substrate in same 70 qt tub, placing tub on rack and heating pad underneath rack and placing box over tub to insulate . This way I am heating the air inside the box where the tub is located.
I would do this until it starts to pin; at which point perhaps I just pull the heating pad?
Any thoughts?
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Sardo]
#26501731 - 02/24/20 03:12 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sardo said: Hi Hero,
can you tell me how you dealt with temp. maintenance with your Grow Tek? I am new to growing and want my first grow to work well.
I was thinking of heating rey berry bags in my 70 qt tub. Bags on a rack and heating pad inside the tub on a towel so I am only heating the air.
Then after mixing inoculated berries in substrate in same 70 qt tub, placing tub on rack and heating pad underneath rack and placing box over tub to insulate . This way I am heating the air inside the box where the tub is located.
I would do this until it starts to pin; at which point perhaps I just pull the heating pad?
Any thoughts?
just buy a small heater than can heat the room. direct heat to them is no bueno.
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
#26501759 - 02/24/20 03:35 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks. Got the "No Direct Heat". Just heat the air around the berries or box.
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
#26803146 - 07/04/20 09:15 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Beautiful.
Something I could never figure out, why the aluminum foil under the cakes?
I thought the cakes were supposed to merge with the substrait?
If not, than what's the reason people have nutrient substraits under the aluminum foil?
Thank you.
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: nektar61]
#26803153 - 07/04/20 09:17 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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wondered about it myself- never done cakes, only cake-to-bulk... I think aluminum foil tends to stay sterile for one thing
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
#26803262 - 07/04/20 10:07 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I been sleeping on this one, looks pretty damn good man. I really like it. Gives me ideas.
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26805790 - 07/05/20 07:02 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I been sleeping on this one, looks pretty damn good man. I really like it. Gives me ideas.
cant wait to see it pasty!
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: SawCeeJack]
#26808849 - 07/07/20 11:23 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
#26902630 - 08/27/20 04:06 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I whole heartedly agree. Way better than SGFC!
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: paul2day]
#26902729 - 08/27/20 04:55 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ha! I literally have this exact build for one of my perlite tubs. Mines a 64qt but man the hole placement and everything is eerily similar. Works like a champ.
Edit: whoops. Mine just has the larger holes up top (1 5/8 on mine) and a series of 1/4" holes in the bottom only. Works great for my dry ass house and woodstove...
Edited by alaskappalachian (08/27/20 05:00 PM)
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27119956 - 01/01/21 09:01 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I been sleeping on this one, looks pretty damn good man. I really like it. Gives me ideas.
This one did give me an idea. Thanks Psilo
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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: elasticaltiger]
#28658213 - 02/13/24 10:10 AM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: Honestly this is such a better alternative to classic sgfc.
The classic design is prone to drying out. We see people with blue cakes in sgcf's all the time.
Monos don't need holes on the bottom for air currents. You could argue that there is some heat produced by the mycelium that's helping things but there is water on the walls long before the myc starts to recover. This should be the standard design for fruiting cakes.
I actually stopped using perlite the second grow around, that was back in 2011. I did drill a bunch of holes though but Today I drill like you just two fat holes and then if I feel there is some need I put a small fan on in the room..just for comfort most times. As long as water evaporates and the cakes have some casing (Hell I dont case my cakes as much as you did) and fresh air and light it will all work. Plus one learns the basics of growing.
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