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Sprouted oats
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So i 24 hour soak my grains, dry and then sterilize, I left a couple of bags for two days and the oats are starting to sprout, Should I sterilize them or throw them away?


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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one google search could have gotten you this answer

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2912977

"It should be fine. I've used sprouted grain with sucess, however i have read that it increases contamination risk."

Depends on how sprouted they are. Hate to be the noobie saying use the search function but try that next time.

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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Hyydra]
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Um so I should take into consideration a 14 year old post that one person says they had no problem and the other one said I should, I did look at those posts my friend and all of them are talking about after sterilzation, I want to know about oats before sterilaztion with a 24 hour soak.


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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And all the other posts are talking about rye grains which I have never worked with.


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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Maybe you should spend some more time lurking instead of having an opinion on something you havent experienced, I want to hear what someone did not a supposition or an opinion.


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking] * 1
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a grain is a grain is a grain, and they are obviously talking about grains that sprouted BEFORE sterilization because it would be impossible for a grain to sprout after being cooked at 121c. The heat kills the grain. They are not talking about grains that sprout after sterilization. Yes you should consider a post that is 14 years old because grains don't evolve to sprout after autoclaving in 14 years. Do you have pictures of the grain? If they are too far along in sprouting don't use them.

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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Hyydra]
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Maybe you should use the search function, there are many people that have had oats sprout inside a tub SO IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, and how can you say a grain is a grain there a multiple tipes of grain in the same family that dont work.

You clearly have not worked with grain long enough to know this, the Poceae family has a lot of grains that dont work so your assumption of a grain is a grain is stuipid, I have tried over 20 diffrent types of grains including doing trsnfers from one grain to another, So i should consider all those old posts that say to spray your contam with h202?? I still stand my ground that you should really learn instead of having an opion on something you have no idea about.


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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You have probably never even worked with diffent types of grain or maybe even grown a shroom at all and having an opinion on all these things you have no first hand experience about.(DONT BE THAT GUY)

You just make it harder for people to learn when people just type what they have no idea and have never done and just heard from someone else, this is one of the reason why there is so much disinformation.


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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Should be fine. Lots of new people try to be all knowing with their second hand advice :shrug:

And grains have been known to sprout after sterilization.


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: bodhisatta]
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If you let them sit for 2 days before sterilizing them I'd consider doing a longer than usual PC cycle. From what I gather that would lead to a very high bacterial endospore count. I had mixed results doing 18 to 24 hour soaks, I think it was from bacteria. Now I do a 2 hour soak for oats and PC for 2.5 hours, but I'm using jars not bags. I'm not sure how long you'd want to PC the bags given your situation.


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Edited by Sherlock Shrooms (06/25/19 02:41 PM)

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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
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thats intresting, you only soak for two hours? Do you grains absorb a litle bit of water or barley?


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said:
And grains have been known to sprout after sterilization.


:philososloth:
:lolwut:


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: bw86]
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People have shown it before. Besides some seeds are made to germinate Better from boiling or fire. Tamarind seeds grow better after boiling

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotiny


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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Daoysterking said:
thats intresting, you only soak for two hours? Do you grains absorb a litle bit of water or barley?


I only soak mine for 45-50 min and I don't have any problems at all 😐


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Crackatoa]
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I will def try it out today, just to make sure, you dont heat them up right?


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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Heat what? Sorry I'm confused


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said:
And grains have been known to sprout after sterilization.


Had this happen a few times with some coir tubs....fuck it..I just let it grow...didn't hurt a thing. :shrug:


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Tormato]
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how do you know those seeds were not in the coir?
A quick boil or some fire is one thing. I don't see how a seed can live threw an hour at 15 psi or the equivalent


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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Daoysterking said:
thats intresting, you only soak for two hours? Do you grains absorb a litle bit of water or barley?


I find it interesting you soaked oats for 2 days, do you not follow bods easy AF oat prep tek? You should check it out, oats are done soaking in 30-45 minutes instead of hours, assuming you have access to a stove you can use


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: bw86]
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bw86 said:
how do you know those seeds were not in the coir?
A quick boil or some fire is one thing. I don't see how a seed can live threw an hour at 15 psi or the equivalent


It started sprouting in the jar. It's extremely rare and I know it sounds ridiculous, but it has happened...I will get a picture if it happens again.....If I remember....and I know I know!  :picdidnthappen:

But I'm usually stoned out of my gourd and I'm like, "Damn...I should've taken a picture before I mixed all that."


:facepalm: :bongload:


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Tormato]
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If they come out of a PC cycle sprouted I'd bet they sprout in the time it is all coming up to temp. Like when I cook quinoa they often have all sprouted, it happens fast at high temps. If they don't come out of the PC sprouted then sprout later, well that is strange to me


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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Daoysterking said:
thats intresting, you only soak for two hours? Do you grains absorb a litle bit of water or barley?


I soak for 2 hours because the amount of water they slowly absorb in that time seems to prevent them from bursting as much when I go to boil them after, and it seems like it isn't long enough to start reproducing endospores.


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: DnDRnD]
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boiling a 50 lb sack is impossible in any non industrial kitchen, so soaking is my way to go 20 hours soak and its exactly the same as if I boiled them, I had an emergency and could not sterilize them in time so they sprouted.


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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Daoysterking said:
boiling a 50 lb sack is impossible in any non industrial kitchen, so soaking is my way to go 20 hours soak and its exactly the same as if I boiled them, I had an emergency and could not sterilize them in time so they sprouted.


Look into the big ass pots they use for deep frying turkeys, gotta be able to fit atleast 5-10 pounds of dry oats in there, then it's only 150-300 minutes ( 2.5-5 hours ) but honestly as long as it works for you!


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: DnDRnD]
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Damn that would work, problem is my stove is only 4 burners, maybe will soon invest in a new kitchen and try those deep frying turkey pots, to help speed up the process.


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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Oh shit that time frame was assuming your using one pot on one burner, lmao no need to rebuild your kitchen over it, if soaking them without works then by all means I don't see an issue, at the most just PC for an extra 15-20 minutes or so to combat the bacterial build up would be my guess


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: DnDRnD]
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Yeah I PC FOR 3.30 hours at 20 PSI just to make sure, thanks for the advice.


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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Lmao holy fucking shit that seems like overkill! Definitely got sterilized grains after long for sure haha i was thinking more like 2-2.5 hours but that 3.3 definitely will do it

After that long of a PC cycle do you find any burst grains in your jars?


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: DnDRnD]
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No not normally I need that much time for the bags to sterilize even in the center I have a 75x and load up 8 bags with 5qts of oats each, and the drum sterilizer I put it on for 12 hours it fits 50-5 qt bags.

For quart jars I normally only do 1.30 in my presto.


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Edited by Daoysterking (06/26/19 12:21 PM)

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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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Ahhhh that makes alot more sense! For bags definitely need alot longer time, I assumed you were talking about quarts hahaha my bad


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: DnDRnD]
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I found a massive crawfish cooker fairly cheap online. It comes with a strong stand that sits over a propane burner. I think Bayou is the company. It holds 80 qts


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
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thannk you kind sir, sounds dope doing, will def look into it.


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
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Wait, you use that as a sterilizer?

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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: BlackSwanEvent]
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No, he is talking about soaking grains to make them have more water content.


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Daoysterking]
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Definitely not for sterilization. Just general soaking, cooking, and pasteurization


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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
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Sherlock Shrooms said:
Definitely not for sterilization. Just general soaking, cooking, and pasteurization


Hell yeah.

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Re: Sprouted oats [Re: BlackSwanEvent]
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BlackSwanEvent said:
Sherlock Shrooms said:
Definitely not for sterilization. Just general soaking, cooking, and pasteurization


Hell yeah.


More for serious soaking, cooking, and pasteurization  :lol:


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