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Ayahuasca
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Hello. I'm going to be alone for the 4th of july weekend so I decided to try Ayahuasca again for the second time.

  My first experience was using hostilis bark. I boiled up 5g of bark and also 25g of the caapi. Now, the experience was mild I felt mostly sober and the peak was only about an hour. The first change I noticed was the blue light on my tower fan became super bright. I drank my second cup about 35min in. I had no oev but the cev were as vivid as a 5+g mushroom trip. Very interesting.

  Now I want to do more. How much caapi should I use? And bark?
  I ask here because of the direct knowledge of the community.

I was planning on 25g bark and about 40g cappi. Would this be too much? I was underwhelmed the first time so I want to go deeper. I gotta shake the cob webs.

I've gone on very high mushroom trips so I think I can handle the head space. I was simply boiling the material as directed and as I did last time.

Any advice is welcome.

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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: LosTresOjos] * 1
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If using Mimosa Hostilis, stick to imo 3 to 7 grams, usually 5 to 7 grams, and hone in on the proper dosage of Caapi (i'd assume about 50 to 100 grams of Caapi, usually i've read 75 to 150 grams, depending on quality and type of vine, whereas Tigre Caapi vine is said to be potent at 30 to 50 grams). Once you get the proper dosage of Caapi, then the Mimosa will shine. Do not go upping the Mimosa dosage without first figuring out a good dosage of Caapi, the more Caapi you use, the less DMT you will need, and 25 grams of Mimosa with proper MAO-A inhibition will overwhelm you way more than you'd want it to, trust me, lol, 7 grams is enough to be completely overwhelmed for the most part. I don't use Caapi though, i use either Rue seed powder capsules, or freebased Rue/Harmala extract in a capsule, 30 minutes to an hour before taking the Mimosa/Acacia, so idk much about proper Caapi dosages, but definitely get the MAO-A inhibition right first and foremost, and then add in a few grams or so of Mimosa and you should be good to go.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: LosTresOjos] * 1
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One thing I’ve noticed is people trying to hit the bullseye in one shot, like they were dosing lsd or something where the window for a redose is small.  In the videos I see of people down south taking it, they just drink moar. :shrug:

They just make a bunch, drink some and if they want to go deeper they just have some more.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: Amanita86]
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I don't think the bark is potent enough. 5g wasn't much. I was thinking 10-20g I'll try about 75g if cappi. But I'm still researching. But 7 seems like not much more. I'd like to not waste the material. Or I can do a 25g batch and drink it over two days. But if you've tried 5g and it was enough then I might to go double at least.

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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: LosTresOjos] * 1
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LosTresOjos said:
I don't think the bark is potent enough. 5g wasn't much. I was thinking 10-20g I'll try about 75g if cappi. But I'm still researching. But 7 seems like not much more. I'd like to not waste the material. Or I can do a 25g batch and drink it over two days. But if you've tried 5g and it was enough then I might to go double at least.


Maybe go for a more potent/consistent MAO-A inhibitor first, to make sure? Like use 3 to 4 grams of Rue seed powder in capsules, or like 300mgs of Moclobemide, with 5 to 7 grams of Mimosa, and see if you don't think it's potent enough lol. I assure you, 5 to 7 grams may not seem like much, but with proper MAO-A inhibition and timing, it is STRONG lol, do not underestimate the power of the Mimosa. Heck, most of my full on experiences with Mimosa was with 5 to 7 grams, using 3 to 4 grams of Rue or 200mgs of Rue/Harmala extract. You definitely should not need over 10 grams of Mimosa unless it's lower in quality, but before you can determine it's quality, you need to first have a proper dose of MAO-A inhibition and time the consumption of the Mimosa when gut MAO-A is fully inhibited, for best results. It seems like when using Caapi things can be quite hit or miss, probably because the Harmalas are in tea form, whereas i use capsules of Rue seed powder or Rue/Harmala extract, it's always been consistent for me and worked every time.

But yeah, do be sure to read about this stuff over at the DMT-Nexus forums, they talk about this alot, first get your dose of MAO-A inhibition right, and time the consumption of the DMT right, and then figure out your appropriate dosage of DMT.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock]
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Ok, check. I can brew up a large dose so I can experiment. But atm I only have the caapi. I'll go searching for proper dosage for it.

Thank you for reply.

Edited by LosTresOjos (06/24/19 02:20 PM)

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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said:
One thing I’ve noticed is people trying to hit the bullseye in one shot, like they were dosing lsd or something where the window for a redose is small.  In the videos I see of people down south taking it, they just drink moar. :shrug:

They just make a bunch, drink some and if they want to go deeper they just have some more.


I can't chime in on recipe measurements but I second what Amanita86 said.  Dosing is always gradual in ceremony, sometimes frustratingly so. Have a cup, wait about an hour and drink again (if you want/can),... repeat. I've had as much as four "cups" in one night and I always need at least two before I feel anything. I've have a mind-blowing journey on two cups at one ceremony and also felt nothing but a gentle buzz/nauseous after 3 cups on another occasion (while my fellow participant tripped balls around me after one cup)... 

They say the vine will only give you what she thinks you need.  Mysticism aside, I do feel like there really is something to dosing gradually that allows your body to acclimate.

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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: LosTresOjos] * 1
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The only warning I can offer is to make sure you get your maoi right like Sabnock said.  You don’t want to keep stepping up the dmt side of it thinking it’s weak only to have it slam you because what was really messing up was the maoi dose.  You could put yourself in a very bad place if that happens.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: Amanita86]
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I brewed up 25g of caapi, I've been reading that 50g with 15g of bark for several doses. I've also read that you should take 50g per dose. Since I already know how 25g plus 5g of bark makes me feel I don't know which to increase. I think I'll increase both by 100%

I know there's been a lot of be careful but I'm not doing this or pshychedelics for the first time. I know there are terrifying places that lie but I've learned to keep calm. So I move forward confidently. Oh if only the brewing didn't take 16hrs.

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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: LosTresOjos] * 1
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Trust me on this, get the MAO-A inhibition proper first and foremost, then the DMT will fall into place. I'm very experienced with this stuff, and DMT depends/relies on MAO-A inhibition for activation, if the DMT is consumed too early or too late and misses the gut's MAO-A inhibition window, or you only have partial MAO-A inhibition, the DMT side will seem weak or non-existent, so it requires the gut's MAO-A enzyme to be for the most part inhibited when the DMT is consumed, figuring out when the gut's MAO-A inhibition is at it's maximum in order to then consume the DMT for full effect, is the tricky part and is just trial and error and experimentation, but there will be a lot less guess work if you use a reliable source of MAO-A inhibition, not that Caapi isn't reliable, just that it seems to be a good bit more inconsistent depending on the type of vine and when it's harvested and all that so dosages are all over the place and can more often than not be quite weak and thus require quite a good bit of plant material per dosage.

If you really want to test out the strength of your Mimosa, use the Rue or Harmalas or Moclobemide, wait about 30 minutes to an hour between, and the Mimosa, if enough is taken, will hit you like a freight train, guaranteed. Then once you find the appropriate dosage of Mimosa, you can then work on finding the appropriate dosage and timing for Caapi vine tea. Although one thing you can do, is use Rue/Harmalas or even pure Harmine in capsules, about 30 minutes to an hour before drinking a Caapi and Mimosa tea, and the Rue/Harmala pre-dose will keep MAO-A inhibited and the Caapi can help lend a hand to protect the DMT when it's consumed, that way you still have the Caapi in the mix.

I find the analog plants, like Rue and Mimosa/Acacia to be quite reliable and consistent, never really varying so long as it's good quality bark, and the Rue potency never seems to change ime working with it pretty regularly since early 2012. I know people prefer Caapi over Rue, but Rue gets the job done very well and there's ways to clean up how it feels and improve upon it and it's essentially the exact same technology as Caapi, just a different flavor. I haven't worked with Caapi, i've tried it a few times, specifically Tigre Caapi vine tea, and Caapi leaf tea, but never tried it in conjunction with DMT, though at some point i do want to try adding in some Caapi vine or leaf with my Rue, Lemon Balm and Acacia or mushrooms/4-ACO-DMT, i feel like the Rue and Caapi will really get along very well.

But yeah, get the MAO-A inhibition dosage and timing down first, and then you can easily determine how potent or weak the Mimosa is and the dosages you need.


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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: Sabnock] * 1
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Like Sabnock wrote several times now, the MAOi part (harmala dose) is the most important. If the harmala dose is too little the dmt won't be activated.

Make sure to test out what kind of harmala dose is good for you.
With a full mao inhibition you should feel a bit stoned, maybe sedated, off-balance, and get slight tracers behind moving objects.
Then add some dmt to this dose to see what dose you need.

Some people need more dmt than others. Some need 100mg or more to even feel it, I get floored with as little as 40mg already.

B.caapi is very variable in potency. There are several different caapi strains (red, yellow, muricata, sticks or leaves, all this makes a huge difference in dosing). With some strains you need 100g to get proper mao inhibition, with others you need only 50g.

Better get some syrian rue. These seeds are a lot cheaper dose per dose, and more consistent in potency. Just eat /capsule 4g of rue and you are good.

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Re: Ayahuasca [Re: Pandemoon]
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I'm not getting any rue untill I finish my caapi. But I will switch. Like I said at 25g of caapi I was seeing vivid images, cev. Im going to try the fifty and 10g of bark. That still leaves me with 3 doses to make at similar strength.

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