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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: Citizen X]
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Citizen X said:
Mueller says himself on qmans link that he never intended to bring any charges against the president @6 minutes to 6:30

What was that investigation about exactly?




being a thorn in the ass of someone the establishment didn't necessarily hope for.  :shrug:


the only logical point i can grasp is that Congress could act on the obstruction charges, etc....though that seems pretty far off from happening.

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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: Citizen X]
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For realz. Check your mainstream news source.

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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: Tulipslave]
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Tulipslave said:
Citizen X said:
Mueller says himself on qmans link that he never intended to bring any charges against the president @6 minutes to 6:30

What was that investigation about exactly?




being a thorn in the ass of someone the establishment didn't necessarily hope for.  :shrug:


the only logical point i can grasp is that Congress could act on the obstruction charges, etc....though that seems pretty far off from happening.


No, that's just how an investigation works.  If Mueller had gone on public record saying that the point of the investigation was to convince Donald Trump of a crime then things would be problematic, to say the least.  The point of the investigation was to uncover facts.  It in no way, shape or form made Trump look innocent but it also failed to uncover enough evidence to say with confidence that Donald Trump was guilty of an actual crime as it's defined in criminal law.  Conspiring with a foreign government to undermine the democratic process is a crime, but being a mouthbreathing, racist tool isn't.

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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: chibiabos]
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Mueller explicitly states in the report that there were numerous investigative threads that could not be explored because evidence had been destroyed, encrypted or witnesses were deceptive or unavailable.


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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: qman]
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chibiabos said:
Tulipslave said:
Citizen X said:
Mueller says himself on qmans link that he never intended to bring any charges against the president @6 minutes to 6:30

What was that investigation about exactly?


being a thorn in the ass of someone the establishment didn't necessarily hope for.  :shrug:

the only logical point i can grasp is that Congress could act on the obstruction charges, etc....though that seems pretty far off from happening.


No, that's just how an investigation works.  If Mueller had gone on public record saying that the point of the investigation was to convince Donald Trump of a crime then things would be problematic, to say the least.  The point of the investigation was to uncover facts.  It in no way, shape or form made Trump look innocent but it also failed to uncover enough evidence to say with confidence that Donald Trump was guilty of an actual crime as it's defined in criminal law.  Conspiring with a foreign government to undermine the democratic process is a crime, but being a mouthbreathing, racist tool isn't.


The only thing I disagree with @Chi you on is when you say “enough evidence to say with confidence that DJT was guilty of an actual crime etc”

I say it was never Mueller’s intent to say specifically DJT broke any law or is guilty as its against the constitution to do so. Maybe he could outline a crime DJT committed without actually saying so?

This is at 6:00 to 6:30 in qmans video. It’s 9 minutes so watch and listen to what Mueller is sayin.

He explains that he cannot
qman said:
Citizen X said:
The DoJ wasn’t going to file charges even if a crime was found if I’m not mistaken?

Edit,

Special counsel Robert Mueller, in his first public comments on his two-year investigation surrounding President Trump and his campaign, said Wednesday that his office did not charge Trump with a crime because it “was not an option”




https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/robert-mueller-make-public-statement-about-russia-probe-wednesday-n1011331

"That is unconstitutional"



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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: Citizen X]
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The mueller investigation was not just about the president.

“the Investigation into Russian Interference in the 2016 Presidential Election.”

Plenty of people were charged.


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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: koods] * 1
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Oh I know I’m specifically talking about the president. Mueller did a great job btw outlining Russian interference.


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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: Citizen X] * 1
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chibiabos said:
Kryptos said:
mycosis said:
Robert Mueller was 100% able to outline if a crime was committed.

I’m not sure what is so confusing about all this. :facepalm3:


He did. He outlined IIRC 15 separate conspiracy crimes, as well as a few financial crimes, some fraud, and got 23 indictments on donald's people.

He just couldn't drop a charge on donald, because the president is above the law.


That's not how the report reads.  A paperback copy costs less than $10.  Go buy one.


My bad, not conspiracy, obstruction of Justice.

Citizen X said:
chibiabos said:
Kryptos said:
"It appears that the president did not not steal the dollar"

Which is basically what Mueller said.


No it isn't.


Spill the beans Chi, what does it mean


I get the feeling this is gonna be like arguing with akira_akuma was. He's just gonna say "no, you're wrong, you don't get it" and never actually tell you.

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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: Kryptos]
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Not my fault that you get your panties in a bunch whenver I tell you to read something that's longer than a few short paragraphs.

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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: chibiabos]
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Your go ahead and protect your mystical knowledge.

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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: Kryptos]
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I'm keeping my mystical knowledge safe from you by telling you where I got it from and encouraging you to double check the source for yourself?  Sure, buddy.  Sure.

:whateveryousayfreak:

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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: chibiabos]
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Wow Chi

The only thing I disagree with @Chi you on is when you say “enough evidence to say with confidence that DJT was guilty of an actual crime etc”

I say it was never Mueller’s intent to say specifically DJT broke any law or is guilty as its against the constitution to do so. Maybe he could outline a crime DJT committed without actually saying so?

This is at 6:00 to 6:30 in qmans video. It’s 9 minutes so watch and listen to what Mueller is sayin.

He explains that he cannot

I thought I was respectful enough? Whatever


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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: Citizen X]
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Chi I’m respectful of others until they’re not with me. I will argue my point until I’m proven wrong.

I’ve never said anything to  you before so I’m not sure where’s this is coming from?

I don’t know enough big words to sound like Akira


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Edited by Citizen X (06/26/19 06:34 PM)

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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: Citizen X]
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Trump just said his upcoming conversation with Putin is "None of your business": https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-putin-meeting-business/story?id=63967271

Is Trump keeping secrets from the US? Why would he say such a thing?

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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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Looking at the link now


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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: Citizen X] * 1
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Dude that’s intense but is it just a knee jerk reactions by the dems?

I’ll admit this doesn’t seem presidential but as we know, this isn’t one of those administrations.

It’s gonna be a minute because I didn’t know about this investigation and I have to read through it


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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: Citizen X]
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You could argue that it is illegal.

But, again, what else can we expect from this administration? I'd be more surprised if they *didn't* casually commit several felonies a day. That would mean something is wrong.

I'd say from a purely theoretical standpoint, for a government that is for the people, it is very much our business.

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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: Kryptos] * 1
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I just read through that and this is big, or at least it would be in normal times. A couple paragraphs stood out

In July 2018, Business Insider reported that President Trump gave his personal cellphone number to various world leaders, having unrecorded conversations with them completely without U.S. officials' knowledge.[7]

In July 2018, CNN reported that The White House had suspended the practice of publishing public summaries of President Donald Trump's phone calls with world leaders, two sources with knowledge of the situation told CNN, bringing an end to a common exercise from the Republican and Democratic administrations.[8]

See there “and Democratic Administrations”^^ so, although seems illegal but was maybe done by dems as well :shrug:

But as we’ve seen the president has wide ranging power. Where will the line be drawn?


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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: Citizen X]
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The commom exercise was to publish, the Trump adminstration did not.

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Re: What was the Russia collusion special whatever Mueller BS about? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Trump just said his upcoming conversation with Putin is "None of your business": https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-putin-meeting-business/story?id=63967271

Is Trump keeping secrets from the US? Why would he say such a thing?


My guess, it would be embarassing to him to reveal how weak and addled he is when talking to Putin.

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