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I thought of something & I’m stuck * 1
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I’ve thought of something and it’s hurting my head so traveling at the speed of light you can advance forward in time in theory correct?
So if we were to send a remote controlled robot in a ship at light speed travel it 50 years forward in time when it came back and we controlled the robot still hooked up to the remote Would we be controlling the robot from the past future or present????🤯🤯🤯🤯 (assuming our control of the robot operated on entanglement & we could control it even tho it is traveling @ light speed)


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Theoretically, You would be operating a 50 year younger robot relayively speaking in the present.

Like having a conversation with someone when you're 50 years older than when last time you spoke.

I think.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: pineninja]
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Well wouldn’t it be you controlled it for 50 years but it’s only 30 years old?


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Now you're hurting my head.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: pineninja]
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I wonder if the rate at which the robot viewed reality moved at twice the speed (or whatever the difference is) so it was like controlling the robot in fast forward.......That’s the only way I can see it make up for the difference in time if your sharing a Consciousness (essentially) Traveling at two different speeds through time


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
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This thread is why massive objects cannot travel at the speed of light and thus, through time.

It doesn't say anywhere that consciousness cannot travel through time. It doesn't say anywhere that the phenomenon of awareness is constrained in any way by temporal duration. That's the basket I'd put my eggs in rather than thought experiments about impossible phenomena.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Well of course the hypothetical situation is to just explain the concepts of consciousness traveling at two different speeds through time and what the perception of said consciousness would feel like on the other end I just didn’t know a better way to Explain what I was talking about so I used the example of a spacecraft Time Machine


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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But if you're traveling through time you have mass. So your thought experiment doesn't make sense.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Well that depends if our Consciousness is non-local our body then is a sensually an avatar and we are traveling through Space at the speed of light relative to many things


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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I think so. Good point.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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I don't think it works like that.
time travel is more closely related to gravity travel than light travel


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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would we be controlling the robot from the past future or the present?

--we would be controlling it from both.  if the future has been observed, then it becomes the present.

"The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once."--Albert Einstein

time is a circle, where the present leads to the future which already exists and this future leads to the present and the past.

the future already exists and streams towards consciousness, becoming the present, and then continues into the past.

consciousness is entangled with the space-time continuum which includes the future.

space-time, however, is affected by gravity and acceleration, and can shrink and contract as gravity and velocity increase.

as demonstrated in quantum mechanics, consciousness and the act of perceptual registration directly impact the quantum continuum through interactions via the wave function and through entanglement.

the fragmentation of time into temporal sequential units where causes proceed effects are also a derivative of consciousness.

thus, Consciousness, like gravity and electromagnetic waves is relative and can affect distant objects and events, including perhaps those in the future and the past.

would the robot then experience déjà vu?

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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: thealienthatategod]
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as demonstrated in quantum mechanics, consciousness and the act of perceptual registration directly impact the quantum continuum through interactions via the wave function and through entanglement...


this demonstration you speak of - probably does not include the word consciousness - can you link or reference?


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: redgreenvines]
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It's meaningless gobbledygook.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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First of all, nothing with mass can ever reach the speed of light (atleast, according to Einstein and current academic knowledge of physics.). You reach 'infinity' energy/mass to do so which is, obviously?, impossible.

As you approach it, however, time slows so theoretically its possible to travel forward in time.
Bringing that information back?
Eh...
You would have to surpass the speed of light or worm hole it.
Regardless, whatever robot you encounter is the present day one, even if it came from the future.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: DividedQuantum]
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If by "control the robot while at light speed" you mean using live commands, I don't see how that would work since you wouldn't be able to send signals to it while at traveled at light speed.  If you mean that you would control it via it's programming that it was given before it's light speed travels, then obviously it would've been programmed before it's flight and would be considered as being controlled by your past self (but that would be true of anything you programmed to do something).


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: TheStallionMang]
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Actually, maybe you could send signals to something traveling at or near lightspeed because of relativety.
If you turn on a flashlight travelling a fraction less than the speed of light, the light still moves at the speed of light relative to the operator whom is moving at near light-speed.
Maybe i am wrong as this is getting into very what if territories, but something moving near or at lightspeed should be able to signal something 'ahead' of it traveling at the same speed, using anything which moves at the speed of light, radio for instance.
Can we truly tell how fast we are moving? Only relative to what we know.

Perhaps information is key to everything, but we already know that.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: hTx]
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By now, the future seems so predetermined...its astonishing physics says otherwise..but does it really?


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: hTx]
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I feel AI could accurately simulate probable futures within 20-30 years.

What does that mean for time travel?

Is it physical or mental?


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: hTx]
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hTx said:
If you turn on a flashlight travelling a fraction less than the speed of light, the light still moves at the speed of light relative to the operator whom is moving at near light-speed.


The theory of relativity states that no matter how fast you are moving while holding a flashlight, the light coming out of it ahead of you is only and always moving at the speed of light.  You can't give light speed a boost or slow it down by moving while shining a light.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: DividedQuantum]
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DividedQuantum said:
It's meaningless gobbledygook.


Quantum flapdoodlery*


My guess is that if the robot is remote controlled, and hence receiving radio waves, then no commands will be received until the robot slows down below the speed of light. So whatever commands were give wouldn't be enacted until the radio waves could catch up, and they could only do that if the robot was moving at a speed less than the speed of light.

My 2c anyway.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: sudly] * 1
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redgreenvines said:
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thealienthatategod said:...
as demonstrated in quantum mechanics, consciousness and the act of perceptual registration directly impact the quantum continuum through interactions via the wave function and through entanglement...


this demonstration you speak of - probably does not include the word consciousness - can you link or reference?



How quantum brain biology can rescue conscious free will

Physics and Philosophy, Werner Heisenberg

the proposed idea is that the brain and consciousness have a wave function.

consciousness can therefore be viewed as a filter which is selecting which fragments of the quantum continuum it perceives as real.  consciousness is the filter between the possible to the actual. the observing mind is interacting with the quantum continuum to perceive temporal sequences, which include the illusion of the past and the future.

according to Heisenberg, these acts of "sensory registration" select a fragment of the infinite quantum possibilities and experience it as real, but this is only to the mind at the moment of registration.

the conclusion here is then that "past present future" are a manifestation of consciousness which is entangled with time-space and the quantum continuum.



consciousness is consciousness of something

and consciousness can be conscious of not being that object that it is conscious of.

by knowing what it isn't, consciousness may know what it is not, which helps to find what is.

this consciousness of not being the object can be considered the "collapse function"

which results in discontinuity within the continuum: consciousness of consciousness being conscious.

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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: thealienthatategod]
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Quantum entanglement happens immediately entangled particles respond to their counterpart instantaneously regardless of the amount of space time between them quantum computers built to communicate to each other in this manner would not be slowed by any distance and therefore by time


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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Jakeoncid419 said:
Quantum entanglement happens immediately entangled particles respond to their counterpart instantaneously regardless of the amount of space time between them quantum computers built to communicate to each other in this manner would not be slowed by any distance and therefore by time


This means we could send Annedroids into the future and they could report back to us “in theory”


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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some scientists believed very strange things, such as Jesus dying for our sins. I would have to lump Heisenberg with that - the syllogism is similar to the following: since both elephants and people have weight, then, obviously they can mate (weight and mate rhyme on a quantum level) and have baby Ganeshis, and this is supported by the theory of quantum hybridization (just to add real metaphysics to this meaningless equation).

(even though there are thousands of different breeds of dogs, they are really one species - this supports the idea of mammalian quantum hybridization)

garbage in garbage out explains this comment of mine - believe not a word of what I wrote here. we don't fuck elephants (usually).


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: redgreenvines]
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some worlds adhere to logic that may be outside of human understanding.

"quantum foundations" is the study of what quantum mechanics really means. - how are we to understand and interpret quantum theory?

the problem is the concepts of measurement and observation are almost vexed.

what are the connections between the dry objective field of classical physics, and the juicy subjective world of human experience?

it just may be impossible to separate the answers we get from the questions we ask to obtain them.  the properties that we observe, can't be ascribed to just an object itself, they are influenced by the sorts of questions that we ask about the properties!

Einstein hated the Copenhagen Interpretation so much that he called it an "epistemology soaked orgy".

explaining the infinite can be crude. although there are numerous examples within mathematics.

take pi for instance, an infinite (endless) non-repeating numeral, that can be envisioned by a finite number of points along the tangent to the curve.
each point representing a seemingless infinite although finite probable outcomes to its unique reality. a singular point only in direct connection to adjacent points on either side of it. the reality of these points may experience bleed-through, resulting in a consciousness sharing.

all other points connect in the same manner sharing their reality with only the points adjacent to it. as the circle expands via time and movement, consciousness expands the point to maintain connectivity to its adjacent points.

the issue then becomes one of diminishing probabilities.

for within the multiplicity of points along the tangent of the curve experiencing their own unique reality, the finite number of probabilities are being reduced at an exponential rate.

when all the probabilities of the possible have been expired, a connection between points will become separated. this separation is a moment of unknown transitions.

the unforeseeable problem becomes one of limited connections (bleed-over) from the reality of the point next to our reality.

this limited view of what is transpiring along all the other points along the tangent, leaves us guessing and in the dark in regards to how fast the limited number of probabilities are expiring. in other words, we will not see a separation of connection occurring unless we or the points of connection to either side of us are actually responsible for the separation. if a point 180° opposite of us is responsible for separation, we will only experience the aftermath without warning.

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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: thealienthatategod]
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If I do not understand gravity, and I do not understand women, then that implies that gravity is the same thing as women using this magical syllogistical method of thinking.
luckily I am not so silly as to believe that if I drop my computer it will fall on a woman.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: redgreenvines]
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gravity appears to be transparent.

women seem to be ambiguous.

since gravity has no dependance on matter,

isn't it ambiguously clear what will happen when you drop your computer?

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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: thealienthatategod]
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Gravity has dependence on matter, in both Newtonian physics and relativity. Matter tells space how to curve, and that curvature of space tells matter how to move.

"ambiguously clear" is an oxymoron.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Gravitational waves were detected for the first time just a few years ago. We understand time better than gravity


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Edited by Jakeoncid419 (06/23/19 01:59 PM)

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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
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The discovery of gravitational waves in 2016 was a confirmation of a theory that had already predicted them a hundred years earlier. I don't think we understand time or gravity very well.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Well sure just like the discovery of the HB. Doesn’t mean it’s not still a big deal. There are lots of Theories that have now been disproven. The HB solidified the standard model however several discoveries have Been made over the last few years that contradict it & lean more towards something like string theory. I fear we will destroy ourselves in the search. They want to increase the power @ cern 10 fold to look for black holes in quantum foam. This could tear apart reality possibly.... we don’t know what will happen. Best case Scenario we find them and prove there is a bleedthrough of energy thus proving there are alternate realities layered on top of ours which accounts for the additional energy that so far we cannot understand


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Edited by Jakeoncid419 (06/23/19 02:10 PM)

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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: Jakeoncid419]
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I don't mean to diminish the discovery of gravitons and LIGO. I love following LIGO. I was just addressing your rather glib point about their just being discovered. Who knows what will happen at CERN. I'm not holding my breath. I think LIGO and VIRGO are more promising for advancing science.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
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i think you're confusing mass with matter.

mass is itself a source of the gravitational field.

yes, a field effect.

the spectrum of gravity extends well beyond the spectrums of light, electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear.

a field is the basis for matter creation.

waves have a constructive influence on matter when they superimpose or interact by creating other waves.

an explosion of protons, neutrons or electrons will produce the spin necessary to create light within a field.

the higgs field\boson particle is described as a wave within a wave.


this implies that  one characteristic of a field is a wave(motion).

fields are neutral, containing no charge or spin; however when this ubiquitous glue of neutral fields experiences a disruption by an outside strong force of motion; fields compress into adjacent fields.

this produces a wave within a wave, a higgs field.


the higgs field produces a particle called a boson which is another name for matter.

this resultant boson acquires spin from the force of motion of a wave within a wave.

the product of this extremely short lived higgs boson particle within this dimension, is light.

it is light that imbues itself with a dual electromagnetic property.



i love ambiguous clarity.

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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: thealienthatategod]
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All matter has mass, except light. Mass is really a measurement of the inertia of matter. I didn't know we were splitting hairs.


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Re: I thought of something & I’m stuck [Re: DividedQuantum]
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I got a big bang following the alien that ate god this time.
usually not enough breadcrumbs to matter


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