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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Mateo]
    #26091192 - 07/05/19 08:58 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I haven't microwaved my soil for years and it doesn't seem to make much of a difference either way, the algae doesn't hurt the plants much I don't think but the fungus gnats and the other pests can be a pain. I haven't tried hydrogen peroxide for a while but sometimes a light spray of insecticidal soap sorts them out temporarily at least


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: cosmofish]
    #26091477 - 07/05/19 12:11 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I use soapwater spray but i dont spray on the soil or water with it.
Its good for most bugs when sprayed but not the small flies.
Maybe the insecticidal soap like safers is better, i use regular real green soap.
Peroxide is very effective to kill the flies in the soil but im unsure if seedlings will be effected negatively.
The tiny Mitragyna seedlings didn´t like it at all and many died.
But when bigger it seems to be no problem with peroxide, it seems only to affect them when they are very young and sensitive.
Best to test on one first to see how the plant reacts.


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Mateo]
    #26094370 - 07/07/19 08:57 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I haven't sprayed the seedlings yet with dilute peroxide, but I did open up the plastic bag so they could get more fresh air. Maybe stale air caused the mold to grow on the seedling. Most of the seedlings do seem to be having problems shedding the seed coat though. I'm not sure why as I kept the humidity high for a week or two. It might be beneficial to file or snip off (part of) the seams of the seed coat before sowing.

Just one was able to shed its seed coat naturally. Another one I snipped off due to the mold and another one has grown long cotyledons but the seed coat is still attached at the end and a stem is already appearing from in between. The last one pictured I had to take out of the soil for some surgery. It had a hard dried film originally from the seed coat wrapped tightly around the base of it's cotyledons. That way a new stem wouldn't be able to grow. I had to make a small incision with a scalpel to break them free. I'm hoping the ones with short cotyledons will persist long enough for a plant to grow..

 

Oh and multiple people mentioned they're growing Ephedra spp. in this thread. I would love to see what other shroomerites are growing and doing with these plants!


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26096292 - 07/08/19 02:55 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I have had similar problems with the small germinated Ephedra can´t shed the seedcoat.
I lost a E.Viridis just a few days ago because the seedcoat was stuck.
Sadly it was the only germinating seed from the batch.

But some other very good news.
Someone very kind has sent me some E.Minima seeds that arrived today. :smile:
Thank you my friend:smile:

I have a good feeling about these seeds.
When i get some germination i can take some photos and post here.


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Mateo]
    #26099472 - 07/10/19 12:30 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Mateo have you experimented with gerberillic acid?
I find it helps with many species that are seed picky, both germination and initial growth troubles.


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    #26102337 - 07/11/19 01:28 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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    #26102408 - 07/11/19 02:13 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I did notice the E. minima seeds are quite large considering it's one of the smaller Ephedra species. I didn't have any other old Ephedra spp. seeds laying around for comparison though, because they don't have a long shelf life either way. The E. minima seeds were picked less than a month ago, so I'd consider those fresh. Every E. minima seed I've sown so far has germinated. Surely not all of them will survive the seedling stage, but it's refreshing to see such high germination rates.

The pictured E. minima seeds I sowed a while later than the first ones. I just keep them moist by hydrating the soil mixture prior to sowing, and spraying them once ever two or three days. I'm not using a humidity dome anymore for these, but they don't seem to mind.



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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26106414 - 07/13/19 05:23 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

A couple of days ago, I posted about doing a bit of surgery on a seedling of which the cotyledons were pinched together by a kind of tough membrane. Today I was inspecting the seedlings again and I believe this membrane plays a part in shedding the seed coat. One side of the membrane is attached to the base of the seedling and the other to the seed coat itself. Some seedlings had a ruptured membrane causing them to have the seed coat still attached at the end of the growing cotyledons. The ones of which the membrane stayed in place have already freed themselves since the seed coat was kept in a fixed position.

 

And the E. aphylla Forssk. cutting is doing well.



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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26109357 - 07/15/19 09:57 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Progress so far:


What I'm worried about.
The soil.

I used jiffy seed starting mix cut with hella perlite.
I plan to pile all the surface perlite up on the sides and lay the seeds directly on the moist soil and very very very lightly touch it into the soil.

It can be changed or altered if you let me know before morning.
I can stop by and grab some chicken grit or anything else I need otw home before I sow.


Minima soaking after bieng gently rubbed on sand paper


Sinca soaking after bieng lightly rubbed on sand paper.

I was upset because I found the actual playsand as soon as I was putting the sandpaper up.
Could have put some in a baggie and agitated the seeds.


Ephedra Sinca
Maybe a year old.


Ephedra minima seeds
Maybe a week old.


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    #26109643 - 07/15/19 01:10 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

That looks quite alright I think. Maybe you could just leave the bag opened because I had some mold issues with only a small hole in the humidity dome. Just spray it every other day or so to keep moist. The seedlings from my previous post are growing without a humidity dome and seem to be doing fine. Last year, one of my old seeds germinated several months after being sown, so don't give up on those old seeds too soon!


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26111200 - 07/16/19 08:15 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you so much bud!


12 Ephedra Minima seeds sown.
I only zipped the zipper 60% shut.

Ephedra Sinca is still soaking.
Will a 48 hour soak be ok?
If not I'll fix it quickly when I wake up.

I want to make some soil and sow in the morning tommarrow.
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    #26111641 - 07/16/19 12:31 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I think it will be alright soaking those older seeds for 48h. I'm not an expert on germinating old Ephedra seeds though. At what light levels and temperature will you be keeping them?


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    #26111787 - 07/16/19 01:58 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I think one can soak old seeds until they swell a little and then plant them in soil.

I have put a few E.minima seeds in a cup of warm water and another few in 250ppm Gibberlic acid solution to soak until tomorrow.
I will sow a few untreated seeds as well.


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Mateo]
    #26111970 - 07/16/19 03:15 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Lighting is a hlg 100 3000k quantum board.
Not directly under it but in the side light.

I'll have to check for exact temps but the a.c. is on 75 and ive got fans going.
Its been like 100 the last two weeks.
Feels good in there but warm.

I have a heat mat if need be.
I read that but figured is wait till winter to use it if need be

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Ephedra Sinca sown!:rush:


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: BattyKoda]
    #26118205 - 07/19/19 03:11 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Tempature is about 80°F

I think I have some life.
I'll take a photo tommarrow.


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    #26118487 - 07/19/19 05:48 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

That's good to hear! Hopefully some of the E. sinica you've sown will germinate as well. At the moment, the E. minima is growing painfully slow for me. It was the same for my other seed grown Ephedra spp. plants though, which seem to be picking up pace a bit now, but nothing too spectacular.

I went back to that botanical garden today and found some other Ephedra spp. plants I overlooked last time. I found a beautiful Ephedra sp. in a neglected part of the garden, covered in white seed cones. No idea what species this might be since it was one of several Ephedra spp. plants with missing identification sign.

I collected a couple of seeds of E. americana, E. chilensis and the unidentified Ephedra sp. with white seed cones. A couple of the other unidentified Ephedra sp. seeds from the opening post have germinated as well. Hopefully I will be able to identify the two of them in the future..

The two unidentified plants if anyone wants to make a guess:

     


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26118598 - 07/19/19 07:11 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Hey poison drink. How friendly are the people who run that awesome botanical garden. Would they let you dig up a rhizome from their ephedras. Then you wouldn't have to baby so many seedlings if you already have a decent size offshoot?

And I checked the pots I plants those E. Minima in and I now have 2-3 sprouts that are beginning to emerge! So thank you again for the seeds. I'll try to post a photo tomorrow or Sunday. I'm liking how this growers thread is turning out. It hard to find good info on growing ephedra other than generic guidelines Google pulls up.


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Crispy224]
    #26119084 - 07/20/19 02:29 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I havent seen white seedcones on the Ephedras before, is that common or a rare feature?
Hopefully it can be used to identify the unknown Ephedra.


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Mateo]
    #26119288 - 07/20/19 06:40 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Whenever I visited that specific botanical garden, it was extremely quiet. The only person I encountered that was more or less affiliated with the garden was a gatekeeper. He allowed me to collect some Ephedra seeds, probably without even knowing which plant I was talking about. But it was good enough for me and there were literally hundreds of seeds anyway and dozens of them had already fallen off.

I did however take some sucker cuttings from other botanical gardens, such as the E. aphylla Forssk. This seems to be a good method for propagation. I didn't need to dig though. A sucker of a young Ephedra spp. can be carefully pulled out of the soil with a portion of the roots still attached. Mature Ephedra plants tend to have thick and woody bases like this E. chilensis:




I like to grow plants from seed whenever possible, and I don't mind taking care of seedlings. Also, Ephedra is mostly dioecious so it's interesting to have multiple plants if they should ever flower. I wonder if hybridisation occurs though, since the botanical garden has multiple Ephedra spp. which flower at approximately the same time.

Most of the plants at the botanical garden have red seed cones so I believe white ones are more rare. I can't find any decent information on Ephedra so if anyone has access to databases, books or documents, I'd be interested to read it!


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26120123 - 07/20/19 03:54 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)


Day 3
E Sinca


Day 4
E Minima
Cant see these good but its about 4 or 5 germinated.^


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