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    #26070113 - 06/23/19 08:56 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: LifeUnderAwno] * 2
    #26071207 - 06/24/19 02:31 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Most of the E. minima seed coats had cracked open after only two or three days, but up until now they still haven't completely germinated. There's a root emerging out of some of the seeds though, so I presume it won't take long anymore. They're still rather fast considering I only sowed them 6 days ago.

Wikipedia has an interesting article about E. minima, also known as E. monosperma. It's ephedrine extract has been used in traditional Chinese and Japanese medicine for several thousand years. Supposedly the dried mature seed-cones can be used as a tea. I'm considering giving this a try. Fresh cones don't taste like much, a bit starchy and similar to the taste of the shoots.

Sadly the unidentified Ephedra seeds haven't shown any sign of life up until this moment. Maybe those seeds were not fully mature yet, or they might just need more time. All the other Ephedra plants and cuttings are doing well though. The outdoor plants don't seem to mind the current heat wave, and the E. aphylla Forssk. cuttings are growing a lot of thin new shoots:


 

I still have a few dozen E. minima seeds, so I'm thinking about doing a little giveaway if there is any interest in it.


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26071285 - 06/24/19 03:13 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I would be interested in a few seeds if you do a giveaway.
I have tried many varietys and got very few to germinate.
I think many seeds one can buy online are very old, that´s why they germinate so badly.
I have tried cold stratification, filing on seeds, hot water soak even Gibberlic acid treatment but they wont germinate.
Sometimes one seed germinate in a batch of 30-40 seeds, if one is lucky.

Fresh seeds is probably much better but might still need some help as filing on seeds or hot water soak.


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Mateo]
    #26071362 - 06/24/19 03:50 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I would be interested minima seeds but am located in the United States. Do I still qualify?


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    #26072241 - 06/25/19 02:21 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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    #26073195 - 06/25/19 03:27 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Well it wasn't my intention to start a giveaway in this thread, but those who responded are all EG regulars of which I think highly. I would rather the seeds go to people who are passionate about these plants, so I will contact everyone who has posted in this thread with a decent trade rating.


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    #26073226 - 06/25/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Not sure how I missed this thread, I love growing this plant.
This is my E. sinica, this is its third year now I believe:


One of my E. fragilis growing alongside lophs, I have a few more fragilis I'll snap some pics of them.


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    #26079832 - 06/28/19 07:59 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Beautiful pictures, MeanGreen! My seed grown E. sinica still has a long way to go before it reaches the size of yours. I took a picture of my two seed grown Ephedra spp. plants, just to establish a baseline. I repotted them a while ago and in the meantime the summer has begun. That's why they're beginning to push out new growth again. Still rather slow growing at the moment though. E. sinica on the left and E. major on the right:




Speaking about growth speed, I was reading through the SAB thread (link at the beginning of the opening post) and came across this:

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but the mediteranean and mid east liana ephedras like foeminea, aphylla (alta) , fragilis which has a semi-climber habit, seem to grow multiple times faster than other species from harsher climates




I'm really impressed by the growth speed of my E. aphylla Forssk. cutting, considering it probably doesn't have a strong root system yet. For comparison I will quote the pictures I posted four days ago:

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And these pictures I took today. It's even growing what seems to be a root sucker if you look closely.

 


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    #26081270 - 06/29/19 05:06 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

The Ephedra minima seeds are doing great! Today was especially warm and bright, which they seemed to like a lot. Germination definitely gained momentum due to this. They were sown 11 days ago so take off is rather slow. All six of them are popping up, yet some are a bit behind.



I'm growing them in a window sill that receives about two to three hours of direct sunlight a day in the afternoon. The window has a film on it to make it less transparent for privacy reasons. This most likely blocks and diffuses the sunlight a bit.

I used a sowing and cutting soil and added some perlite to it. The soil mixture was watered thoroughly before filling the pots, but I ensured it wasn't soggy. I sowed the untreated seeds on top of this mixture and pushed them in a bit so that the sides would make good contact with the moist soil. I pushed the pointy edge of the seed down into the soil at an angle of 45°. I let the other side of the seed sticks out of the soil.

I had to move aside chunks of perlite which created air pockets around the seed, obstructing full contact with moist soil. So next time I will probably utilize a thin top layer of soil without perlite. Ephedra plants are supposedly sensitive to transplanting when they're young, so I sowed them in a big enough pot and ensured good drainage.

They're growing in a plastic bag that serves as a humidity dome, but I ensure there's enough air exchange so that no molds will develop. I could have sterilized the soil mixture beforehand, but I had good previous experiences using it as is. Every evening I open up the plastic bag and mist every seed with tap water which has been standing for 24 hours to dechlorinate it. I read an article in the SAB Ephedra thread that E. sinica seeds contain growth inhibitors and water washing will speed up germination.



I will probably continue doing this until every seed is completely germinated and has shed its seed coat. Then I will enlarge the hole in the plastic humidity dome step-by-step until they're growing in ambient humidity.


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26081996 - 06/30/19 05:39 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

What is the preferred climate for Ephedrea sp?
Anybody done any reading on these?

Should i have my adult Ephedra:
-In a window inside
-In my greenhouse outside where its warm and humid
-Outside where is often warm and strong sun
-Outside in a more shaded location where its warm and not so strong sun.

They are some kind of desert plants aren´t they?
Desert areas is usually quite dry, very varm in day and very cold at nights.

Seedlings I will try PD´s tek above.


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Mateo]
    #26082241 - 06/30/19 09:48 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

For a couple years I had my ephedra in a shady wet spot which it didn't like very much. Once I moved it into the greenhouse and watered sparingly it started looking a lot better. I treat it kind of like a cactus but just make sure it doesn't get too bone dry.


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: JayWise]
    #26082430 - 06/30/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I think it will have to be put outside then, thanks for input.
First in a shaded location and gradually moved to more sun until it can take full sun without negative effects.

It looks so weak with the thin structure it has.
I hope it will develop more branches and hopefully suckers so it get several stems.


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Re: Ephedra Growers Unite [Re: Mateo] * 2
    #26085364 - 07/01/19 11:59 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Once established, it can take full sun and sparse waterings in temperate European climates. But as Cosmofish pointed out, just make sure it doesn't get too bone dry.

I decided not to grow them outdoors yet, because I have a bit of a snail problem. They will occasionally munch on the fresh and succulent growth of my older Ephedra plants, but they can handle it. Small seedlings don't have a tough base though, so they could be totally eaten by snails. I didn't put my Ephedra cuttings outdoors either. There's a lot of birds visiting, so I can image they could take off with a cutting. The cuttings haven't got a strong root system yet so they could easily be pulled out of the soil.

My E. viridis has been growing well the last two weeks. Interesting to see the old stems grew almost horizontal, while the new growth goes straight up. Almost two weeks of growth:

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    #26086331 - 07/02/19 02:10 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

That was some nice growth for 2 weeks.
Have you given any fertilizers?

The snails is a big problem for me too.
Im going to put a table outside and put some copper tape around the legs and see if it works to keep the snails away.
My small Sassafras Albidum plant is under constant attack, i have put lots of snail pellets around the plant but it seems only to work for the big snails.
My poppies are also very good snailfood it seems, maybe they get some nice effect when eating them.


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    #26087654 - 07/03/19 07:36 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I only gave them some vermicompost tea two days or so before taking the picture, so that shouldn't have affected the growth very much yet. I didn't feed these plants at all after repotting them, but the potting soil was fertilized and I added a handful of chicken and cow manure to the soil mixture.


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    #26088505 - 07/03/19 04:35 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

A handful of chicken manure?
Isn´t that a very strong fertilizer and a handful very much for a pot?
well, it certainly grows very well now so it must like the soilmix.


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    #26088550 - 07/03/19 05:01 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I use a commercial mixture of dried cow and chicken manure. The ratio is not specified on the bag, but it does mention there's no risk of burning the plants. Those pots are about 10L so a handful is quite alright I think.


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    #26090364 - 07/04/19 04:19 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

One of the germinating E. minima seedlings has some mold growing on the seed coat which jumped over to the cotyledons. I decided to snip the mold infected parts off and see if it will make it through. There's also some green algae formation on top of the soil. I should have sterilized my soil mixture and should have soaked the seeds in a weak peroxide solution for a couple of minutes. I really didn't expect these seedlings to take this long to break free from the seed coat though. I don't even know if the seed coat needs to be kept moist for the seedling to be able to push it off.

I also don't remember how I germinated the E. sinica and E. major last year. I will leave the plastic bag open for now so that the soil can dry out faster, and I will probably spray them with a weak peroxide solution. No worries though as I still have some seeds to play around with.. I'm just reporting my mistakes so that other don't have to make them!


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    #26090918 - 07/05/19 01:53 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I always get this algae on top of the soil when i use ordinary soil.
I wonder if nuking the soil in the microwave would make any difference.
Since sterilizing the soil kills all bacteria both good and bad i haven't done it.
But i really should do something because algae and the small soil flies really thrive.
2 days ago I tried pouring some 3% hydrogen peroxide into 3 pots that had both algae and lots of soil flies.
It fizzed and bubbled quite a bit and when it stopped i scraped off the algae remains.
These pots, 2 of them with loph+pereskiopsis and one with a coca seedling seems not to be affected with the peroxide treatment so far and soil looks nice and bug/flies free.
Anyone use to microwave their soil before sowing?
How long does the soil stay free of algae and other things?


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