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Catha Edulis Red * 1
    #26052633 - 06/14/19 05:53 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Hello just wanted to share a photo of my just pants, before I started I didn't know how long these took anyway here are my baby's 1 year old I started from seed.



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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: YarnDi]
    #26052753 - 06/14/19 07:05 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Nice job, mine are just coming up on a year also though don't have the same red in them yours do.
What zone are you located in?


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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: Dark lotus]
    #26052763 - 06/14/19 07:13 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Subtropic but close to tropical


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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: YarnDi] * 1
    #26053169 - 06/15/19 12:12 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Here are a few of mine started from seed, probably due for a trim.
Might make some cuttings soon.
After a couple cold winters they seem to be coping with the New Zealand weather very well.





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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: Dark lotus]
    #26053388 - 06/15/19 04:56 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Beautiful plants. :thumbup:
I wish my small seedlings would grow up to be something like the plants you have.


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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: Dark lotus]
    #26054164 - 06/15/19 04:41 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Just noticed mine is more tree branch like, yours looks taller weird.



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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: YarnDi]
    #26054299 - 06/15/19 06:17 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Could be the difference in variety or perhaps the medium I'm growing them in?
I have never trimmed them before and have only removed 1 branch for a friend who wished to try the effects.

They may also be a little older than I remember perhaps by six months or so.
Have you removed leaves/branches from yours?
I may try to get it to branch out more and start upward growth.


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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: Dark lotus]
    #26054982 - 06/16/19 02:58 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Have never cut any off yet, I did start them off under lights for 2 months


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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: YarnDi]
    #26057902 - 06/17/19 06:32 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

My red Khat plants have also started growing bushy, from when I put them outdoors. Before they grew one very top heavy main branch, but it didn't turn woody or thick enough to support the weight. Very different growth pattern compared to other varieties. Other people have noted this before in the 'Official Khat Grower's Thread'. It seems the red Khat variety just doesn't grow as prolific.

Here they are 5 months ago and now:

 

I'm considering to remove the main branch and trying to root the cuttings in water. That way the plants might grow more bushy like the ones posted above.


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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26057948 - 06/17/19 06:58 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Maybe you can try air-layering.
You know that technique where you put a branch to dip into soil or pass through some soil and wait for roots to come from the part dipped in the soil.
When the roots have started grow then one cut of the branch not before.
I think some make a little cut, removing little bark to help roots to form.
Rooting hormone maybe can help also.
That way you will not loose the top cutting if no roots grow.
I think this technique will produce roots almost every time but one might have to wait long time on some type of plants.

Like this:






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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: Mateo]
    #26061892 - 06/19/19 04:49 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

That looks cool I'll have to try that when spring comes around, I have noted that these plants are REALLY slow so I don't think I would want to start from seed again


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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: YarnDi]
    #26062025 - 06/19/19 05:55 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Especially my red Khat variety is painfully slow. To show my point, the Khat plants in the following picture are of the same age:



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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: Poison Drink]
    #26063486 - 06/20/19 12:59 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Are the red variety known to be a slow grower or it has special needs to grow fast?
Maybe it needs some different conditions or soil.
It could be a dry/hot area variant that just grows slower, like a cacti or succulent plant.
I must read up on different Khat types.


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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: Mateo]
    #26304005 - 11/07/19 03:02 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Update coming into summer now looking like there getting ready to have a growth spurt. The leaves are growing faster and bigger and the plants them self's are looking happier.





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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: YarnDi] * 1
    #26304590 - 11/07/19 11:45 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Cool cool

Apparently "red" in like khat or kratom strains is not a hard rule but more like a potential that is still dependent on age, soil, conditions, light and what have you. So a tendency.

It's fine if you have a supposed red strain and it is red.. lol.. but i wouldn't try to use it as an identifying feature.

I think in general this is a mistake with taxonomy etc in the sense that it is a need for us to compartmentalize things, to put them in boxes and index them.. and we like to ignore the many complexities which would drive us insane to truly deal with.

I don't know what mine is supposed to be but it can be both red and green and it really varies.

My point is: take these 'strain' names and descriptions with a grain of salt because someone taking it originally from nature may not be that likely to take into account so many factors, and just assume that its just what it looks like. And it might really always look like that in those conditions.
But then it is taken from nature and propagated and then you grow it.

My green or red kratom strains really don't seem to care what color they are supposed to be either.

Just like with shroom varieties i felt better when i stopped caring so much. xD


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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: Solipsis] * 1
    #26307873 - 11/08/19 08:11 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

A lot of that is true, but there are distinct varieties of khat and they grow very differently. I refer to the variety in this thread as Wide Leaf Khat instead of Red to avoid confusion. Color is transient and dependent on conditions. My Narrow Leaf Khat, AKA Green Khat, will be a beautiful red after more exposure to the cold.


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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #26307929 - 11/08/19 08:42 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

A proper Green Khat wont go Red regardless of how much light or Sun it receives.

Reds always have Red stems and mostly some sort of Red throughout the leaves. You can vary the Red colour by limiting it's Sun exposure, in my experience.

I'm probably due to take pictures of the new growth since its Spring prune. I cut them back hard at the beginning of SPring to encourage new shoots and to keep them compact bushes. It also wakes up dormant buds,

If you want them to grow upwards then trim off vigorous side growth and leave the apical stems alone. It takes a few years before they want to grow upwards..<<<All of this info is for container grown plants.


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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: karode13]
    #26308405 - 11/09/19 02:18 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I guess I have red khat then if that's true :laugh:

My green kratom did go red.

Did take some cuttings to in order to prune mine, but i may need to try rooting them elsewhere - at my place they will dry to a crisp in no time otherwise.

Are you guys sure there are no red narrow leaf varieties?


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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: Solipsis] * 1
    #26365426 - 12/06/19 06:30 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

One month later and first week of summer growth has really started to kick in now.





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Re: Catha Edulis Red [Re: YarnDi]
    #26365472 - 12/06/19 06:58 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I got this yesterday


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