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Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns * 1
    #26051221 - 06/13/19 10:37 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

SWIM bought a kit for their first grow online. Supposedly of the species “Stropharia Cubensis Cuban“. Kit is a small monotub kit with a straw growth substrate. The substrate was sterilized as per instructions (boiled), pre-prepared mycelium was thoroughly mixed in with the straw and left in the dark to fully colonize the substrate. At which point  about a half inch of sterilized casing soil was layered on top lightly. From then on it has been lightly misted and fanned a couple times a day. No pinning occurred for quite some time, longer than expected but last week pins finally appeared. However, the rate of growth seems rather slow compared to what SWIM read to expect. There are pins at various stages of growth and pictures below of the current size relative to a quarter. The concern is that a few of them have started to de-veil but seem extremely small for that stage and was wondering what possibly could be the cause.

SWIM has identified a few issues. Firstly the substrate is not as packed into the sides of the container as it should be and in places there are air gaps where pinning is taking place on the sides of the container. These pins are unable to get enough fresh air and are bound to be stunted. Secondly SWIM was originally misting too much and the top soil was rather damp for a period of time, unaware that one of the major pinning triggers is drying out of the top casing soil.

Originally the growing chamber lid was taped down and set by an open window for a breeze and misted through the top hole. This appears to have not been provided enough fresh air within the chamber. The tape was removed and is now opened a couple times a day and misted, allowing for more air which seems to have helped somewhat.

Photo’s may be found here.

Any ideas? Do these look proper? Questions, concerns?

Thanks,
Zerth “The Wanderer”.

Edited by Zerth (06/13/19 11:34 PM)

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Re: Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns [Re: Zerth] * 1
    #26051289 - 06/13/19 11:28 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Forget grow kits. There is a current thread you can access to get an idea about the way experienced growers feel about kits (home>recent posts>expensive grow kits vs making your own set ups...) I'm not trying do discourage you, but there are better ways to go about this. Everybody here wants you to have success. A post like yours comes up all the time -this is why some experienced growers here come off as aggressive A-holes ( because it gets tiresome answering the same ? all the time).

It is obvious from your "swim" description that you are in the category of "noob". And that is totally cool my friend. Everybody starts as a noob. As far as your current grow situation goes, it is very difficult to get even the vaguest idea as to what is going on without a picture. If you can do this, maybe somebody can give you enough advice so you can at least get something (and then get a spore print or two so you can learn to grow using your own materials). BTW, forget the SWIM, if they wanna get you they will get ya lol. Unless you are running heroin/fentanyl or meth, the feds ain't gonna give 2 shits. They got bigger things to spend their time and resources on. People like you are not even close to being on their radar, of course this is no excuse to be stupid!

My advice for you is to read the teks and then study the teks and then go for it. Growing the species we are talking about here is not that difficult, but there is a bit of a learning curve to get over. Depending on your resources, maybe PF tek is the best way for you to start? Look around here a bit. Personally, I started with spores> agar> grain> bulk substrate> :mushroom2:. This was before shroomery days so unlike you, I had a BIG hump to get over. This is where you have a great advantage -proven teks, and a community that will help you get over that bitch of a hump.

Good luck amigo, maybe somebody else will chime in with advice to help you along. Welcome to the Shroomery!

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Re: Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns [Re: scarabaeus]
    #26051290 - 06/13/19 11:29 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns [Re: scarabaeus]
    #26051303 - 06/13/19 11:38 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the response. I provided a link with pictures in my original post. Is it not working?

I am currently acquiring resources for a monotub build and simply bought the kit to try my hand at it and see if it was something I enjoyed. I understand they are not really worth it. I will also ditch the SWIM then, last time I was in a forum like these that is what everyone did, things have changed apparently.

Thanks for your input.


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Re: Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns [Re: scarabaeus]
    #26051306 - 06/13/19 11:44 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Hello again zerth, I somehow missed your pics the first time around. Giving a quick look-see at your kit, I'm glad to see you got what ya got. Just keep that sucker moist -but NOT wet. It takes a few grows to get a feel for moisture content of yer sub. Pick the fruits before they open all the way, but leave one or two to fully open so you can take some spore prints (this will help you on your way to freedom from relying on buying kits or spores from vendors. Hope this helps. Peace yo...

PS: I just got your reply as I was about to post this lol. You seem to have the proper attitude towards this stuff so I'm sure things will work out for you. Again, good luck on your adventure! :dancer:

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Re: Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns [Re: scarabaeus]
    #26051317 - 06/13/19 11:53 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Perfect I will do that. I have some agar on its way for when I am ready to collect the spores. No contams yet so fingers crossed I will get some usable spore samples.

To anyone else chiming in I guess my main concern was the size they are starting to open at. They seem abnormally small compared to the pictures I have seen and the grow logs I have looked at for cubes. It is likely just a result of me not properly fanning them in the beginning. Or it is possible the top casing is moist but the rest of the substrate is not. But I don’t really want to risk contaminating it by removing and inspecting underneath by hand. Was hoping maybe someone had grown this particular species and could weigh in if they are abnormally small or not for the stage of growth they are at.

I am going to see how this first flush goes and then play around with the moisture content slightly differently for the next flush. Maybe I will dunk it for a bit before I put it back in the chamber after harvest.

Again thanks for your reply and hospitality scarabaeus. I am sure I will see you around :smile:


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Edited by Zerth (06/13/19 11:58 PM)

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Re: Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns [Re: Zerth]
    #26051410 - 06/14/19 01:04 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #26051438 - 06/14/19 01:30 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
    #26051939 - 06/14/19 08:52 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Perfect, thanks NothingsChanged! That’s exactly what I was having a hard time finding. Thanks for locating this for me.


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Re: Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns [Re: Zerth]
    #26051950 - 06/14/19 08:55 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns [Re: yagayaga] * 1
    #26052274 - 06/14/19 12:09 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Alright guys. Just an update for any potential noobs who stumble across this thread looking for answers of their own.

Here are the major problems I have identified. Firstly I misunderstood the meaning of FAE. I thought it actually meant fresh air circulation. But people are simply referencing the grow chambers ability to have air flow in it. As a result I had placed my grow chamber by an open window that was generally open for around 8 hours a day. As a result my substrate seems to have dried out more than it should of. This lack of water would explain the slow rate of growth. Secondly I did not wait long enough for the mycelium to colonize the casing layer before initiating pinning, this is why it took a couple weeks for pinning to even start, and when it did start it was pretty meh. Thirdly I was not misting near enough to counteract the drying that was occurring from the open window.

To remedy the situation I have taken a few actions. Closed the window. This is self evident, with the window no longer open it should not dry out as fast. Secondly I had to rehydrate the substrate, thankfully it wasn’t too dried out to prevent absorption. I removed the monoblock from the lining and placed it in a large water basin that went to just below the casing layer, not touching the casing layer. I also thoroughly misted the top casing soil until it seemed moist but not damp. I left the monoblock in the water for about half a day while I went to work and they seem to have exploded in growth compared to what I was getting over a 24 hour period before. Still nothing compared to the pictures I am seeing, but much better. The procedure was risky as I am opening it up to a lot of contaminants. But being that this is just a grow kit and meant to be an experiment I think the potential risk is worth it to do just that, experiment.

I have now put the monoblock back in the lining and back in its growing chamber. Fingers crossed I don’t get any bad contam that takes over. Still no signs of cobweb or discolouration anywhere so it is looking good.

A side not as well on lighting. My lighting situation is not ideal. Currently it is getting real natural indirect sunlight which I love the idea of. But where I live and the current season it is getting 14+ hours of daylight, which may have an effect on growth.

Hope this helps someone. I will post follow up pictures when they are ready for harvest to show the outcome and recovery.

Thanks for everyone’s help and providing the links,
Zerth “The Wanderer”.


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Re: Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns [Re: Zerth] * 1
    #26054861 - 06/15/19 10:47 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

After I got home from work tonight I came home to an explosion of growth. A large number of them had their veils broken and overall they had grown 10x more in 2 days than they did in 2 weeks. I know if the substrate wasn’t so dry originally and stunting their growth in the beginning they would be even bigger than they are now. I harvested the sections with broken veils and left the other pins and maturing fruits to do their thing until they are ready. Below is a link to the updated album showing what they looked like right before harvest as well as the fruits that were harvested. I would call it a successful recovery!

Moisture content recovery album.

Thanks for everyone’s help. I hope this thread can possibly provide suggestions for other new growers who are troubleshooting similar issues.

Cheers,
Zerth “The Wanderer”.


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Re: Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns [Re: Zerth]
    #26055135 - 06/16/19 03:51 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Beginner cultivator growth rate concerns [Re: Zerth]
    #26106340 - 07/13/19 04:43 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I bought the same kit online.. I was told by many people on here that the pasteurizing techniques the instructions told us to preform was actually wrong. By boiling it so long at such high heat it initially sterilizes the substrate.. Makes it susceptible to contaminates. 
I'm still into the early spawning stages. Do you have any photo's of the spawning process. I'm having troubles deciding if its Mycelium growth or contaminated. How did yours turn out over all?

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