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Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration * 1
    #26033575 - 06/05/19 03:05 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Well, isn't this going to change the leftist talking points!

Now the most favorite "socialist" country is seemingly rooting on all sides to close the borders. As well as limit immigration to western Europeans rather than non-europeans.

These are social democrats? But that's racist!

Denmark is waking up. This makes me so happy!:stoned:

They are becoming a good example!

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Denmark’s centre-left set to win election with anti-immigration shift

Rasmussen’s Liberal party and the Social Democrats have both backed widely criticised measures on immigration, arguing they are needed to protect Denmark’s generous – if increasingly creaking – welfare system and to integrate migrants and refugees already in the country.

With a welter of tough new legislation aimed at discouraging further non-European immigration, the immigration minister, Inger Støjberg, installed a counter on the ministry’s website showing the government had tightened the law 114 times.




https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/04/denmark-centre-left-predicted-win-election-social-democrats-anti-immigration-policies


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: XUL]
    #26033585 - 06/05/19 03:14 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)



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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: XUL]
    #26033588 - 06/05/19 03:18 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Failed asylum seekers wait in rural Danish departure center

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1T00N0

Catch ya lata alligator. No, no wait, the social democrats now hate immigration.

I guess people just change.


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: XUL]
    #26033598 - 06/05/19 03:30 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

:ooo:


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: Thermal Visions]
    #26033605 - 06/05/19 03:33 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

You can live in the wild, but you have to pay for the land and pay land taxes.

Taxation. Yay

Get the right piece of land and you can retire early. Seen as cheap as 180 dollars a year for property taxes. That's in bumfuck Maine though. But you said wild.


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: XUL]
    #26033614 - 06/05/19 03:38 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

:ooo:


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: Thermal Visions]
    #26034207 - 06/05/19 01:19 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

A centre-left party taking a hard right stance - is anyone but XUL surprised?

There's no such thing as a revolutionary government, and you can't use the state to abolish class. Emma Goldman knew it. Mikhail Bakunin warned everyone about it half a century before the Russian Revolution. Veterans of the Black Panther Party and Black Liberation Army Ashanti Alston and Kuwasi Balagoon drew the same conclusion. There’s no such thing as revolutionary government. You can’t use the instruments of government to abolish oppression. Yet from Paris to St. Petersburg, from Barcelona to Beijing, one generation of revolutionaries after another has had to learn this lesson the hard way. This story has recurred in Brazil with the Workers Party, in Greece with Syriza, in Nicaragua with the Ortega administration.

This explains why the outcome of the Egyptian revolution of 2011-2013 resembles the outcome of the Russian Revolution of 1917-1921, which resembles the outcome of the French Revolution of 1848-1851. In each case, as soon as the people who made the revolution stopped attempting to carry out social change directly and shifted to investing their hopes in political representatives, power consolidated in the hands of a new autocracy. Whether the new tyrants hailed from the military, the aristocracy, or the working class, whether they promised to restore order or to personify the power of the proletariat, the end result was roughly the same.

There is no such thing as a revolutionary government, and you can't use the state to abolish class!


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26034223 - 06/05/19 01:28 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I think we should mimic them.


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: XUL] * 1
    #26034259 - 06/05/19 01:41 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

We?

Stop forcing your beliefs down everyone’s throats.


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: Citizen X]
    #26034337 - 06/05/19 02:10 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I don't force anything on anyone.

I simply converse and vote.


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: XUL] * 1
    #26034338 - 06/05/19 02:10 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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I think we should mimic them.



Who is "we" and who is "them"? Because my post is full of examples of governments that we definitely don't want to mimic.


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26036128 - 06/06/19 12:00 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Danish immigration policy based on keeping the country European .

And Hardline immigration policy.


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: XUL]
    #26036134 - 06/06/19 12:03 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Anti immigrant much?


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: Citizen X]
    #26036163 - 06/06/19 12:16 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Anti immigrant much?




He's pointing Denmark's position, that's not being "Anti immigrant".

There was a time in the US when the left wasn't pro-immigration either.


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: qman]
    #26036228 - 06/06/19 01:03 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Why does everything have to revolve around the left?

Maybe Denmark is more to your liking? Have you guys thought about immigrating there?

Sounds like y’all are anti immigrant to me, but what do I know? I’ve just been listening to this shit for a couple of years


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: XUL]
    #26036251 - 06/06/19 01:16 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Danish immigration policy based on keeping the country European .

And Hardline immigration policy.



When we consider other left-wing political parties of the EU (my post references some examples), particularly those which go against their originally stated principles in order to gain or hold onto elected positions, we find that without exception they end up adopting neoliberal positions, such as massively unpopular austerity measures. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you would be against neoliberal policies just as much as any leftist.

With that being said, do you have any reason to believe that things will be different in Denmark or is the anti-immigrant line all you need to blindly follow?


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26036258 - 06/06/19 01:19 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Security, tradition, and peace of mind will occur for those who voted for the measures.


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: XUL]
    #26036265 - 06/06/19 01:22 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

That's not an answer to my question, but I didn't really expect you to have one.


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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #26036271 - 06/06/19 01:26 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Take it or leave it.

You don't decide what my answers are.

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Re: Denmark leftists take hard right stance on immigration [Re: XUL] * 2
    #26036296 - 06/06/19 01:45 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

You don't have to answer any question I ask, but your continued refusal or inability to answer them is an answer in and of itself.


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