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Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil
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Anyone experimenting with adding Cinnamon Oil or Peppermint Oil to Morning Glory seed extracts? Was there a noticeable difference to normal extractions?


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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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I have not done cinnamon oil with LSA seeds but I have added peppermint oil to a heavenly blue cwe a few times, only difference seemed to be in the nausea though I had also taken 25mg of DPH for that purpose.

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: Lophophora]
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Ok, so the nausea was less intense with the peppermint oil addition?

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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Yes it was less intense

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: Lophophora]
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Oh that's cool. I can dig it.

Did the trip feel about the same psychologically?

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: Lophophora] * 1
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To be fair though I've taken LSA many times in doses of up to the high 20's of HBWR seeds and +/-1000 morning glories and only puked once. Go figure I puke on everything else.

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: Lophophora]
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That's crazy. Its almost like MG and HWBR are no big deal to your stomach :strokebeard:

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: Lophophora] * 1
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I feel the trip was the same. Very dreamy, floating, and surreal headspace with a paradoxical cognitive stimulation and sedation, minimal open eyed visual distortion/alteration, some internal hallucinations. Physically it felt like a normal LSA trip as well with a very sedated narcoticy warmth and loads of physical and mental euphoria, the vasoconstriction was still present but cannabis helped to nearly entirely ease it.

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: Lophophora]
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Very good description of the trip.

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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I tend to dose HBWR sublingually, chewing my chosen number of seeds and holding them under my tongue for 30 minutes, sometimes grinding them beforehand and wetting them with dilute citric acid in the fridge for 20-30 minutes prior to dosing. MG seeds I do a CWE extraction on and usually do become quite nauseous for 2 hours or so but somehow have only puked once. May have to do with the DPH I take with it as an antiemetic.

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: Lophophora]
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When do you take the DPH?

Also what does the citric acid do to the HBWR seeds?

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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I take the DPH 15 minutes before dosing and the citric acid seems to increase the availability slightly perhaps it a bit more soluble in saliva.

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: Lophophora]
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Huh, interesting :strokebeard:

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Anyone experimenting with adding Cinnamon Oil or Peppermint Oil to Morning Glory seed extracts? Was there a noticeable difference to normal extractions?



These "adduct" reactions (e.g. allegedly creating LSH or LSC, or ...) are highly doubtful to happen as imagined.

You have to remember that not even in nature e.g. LSH gets made like that from LSA. There's no known biosynthetic pathway for LSA, so LSA in nature is always a decomposition product (e.g. from LSH). The fungi on the vine plants synth only LSH, and this then decomposes over time into LSA.

The suggested "adduct" reaction is a Micheal addition, and a bad one at that, amides (LSA) are totally non-nucleophillic. The only way this could happen at ambient conditions is if it was catalyzed (e.g. by an unknown enzyme). But as pointed out, LSH in nature is a product of a completely different pathway (with ergometrine as intermediate), so it's highly unlikely there's a corresponding enzyme.

LSA has at least four other reactive nucleophilic sites (N-1, C-2, C-3, and N-6).
C-2 and C-3 are known to be reactive. And N-1 and N-6 would probably be more nucleophilic than the amide nitrogen.

**But** adding these essential oils really seems to substantially change effects, if certain parameters seem to fit (e.g. in an alcohol, with not much water). But if this is due to a chemical reaction (which ones? Maybe at other sites, like mentioned above? Maybe making some (semi-)acetals (which would also be sensible upon the amount of water present)?), or just because of the actual synergy of effects of the essential oils themselves, nobody knows, or has ever tested. E.g some report also a difference using these oils with LSD...

Also what someone once tested by TLC is, that **pure** acetaldehyde added really changed the molecules in MeOH, if not much water was present. This could clearly be seen by a change of the stripes on the TLC. But noone knows what reaction is exactly taking place. As mentioned above, it's highly unlikely that LSH gets created, but I could well think it's some kind of (semi-) acetal reaction.

Edited by Hubi (06/03/19 12:38 AM)

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: Hubi]
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Found something really interesting about Cinnamon Leaf Oil:

Quote:
Use it to clean your fruits and vegetables — Cinnamon leaf oil is known for its antibacterial and antioxidant properties. In a 2012 study published in Flavour and Fragrance Journal, applying an edible pectin film with cinnamon leaf oil not only reduced bacteria growth on fresh-cut peaches, but also increased their antioxidant status.


https://articles.mercola.com/herbal-oils/cinnamon-leaf-oil.aspx

Wow :mindblown:

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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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I've heard this can work. 69ron on the Nexus has discussed LSH a number of times, noting significantly different effects. It seems like fresh peppermint leaves may be the best catalyst for the reaction to create LSH and it should have a shorter duration and more visual nature


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Re: Adding Cinnamon Oil/Peppermint Oil [Re: I Love Lucid]
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Huh, fresh leaves eh?

Intriguing.

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