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 westdrayton
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 shoe box content tek request 
#26015679 - 05/27/19 10:07 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I have a total beginners question.
I have seen pictures of mushrooms growing in shoeboxes.
The below link of "Bod's Easy AF SHOEBOXES" shows pictures where boxes contain growing mushrooms. I can't find a tutorial that describes how to make the content for those boxes. I understand the contents of shoe box are simple "soil" and also mushroom spores. But how i make such content, how i make sporey "soil"? I understand how to inject spores into jars to create white BRF cakes but i don't understand how to make the content of a shoebox that should also go to white later. Do i have to make a liquid spores cocktail somehow first and then pour it into shoebox or what? Can you explain how to make the sporey content into shoebox?
Bod's Easy AF SHOEBOXES:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25274461/fpart/all/vc/1
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Re: shoe box content tek request [Re: westdrayton]
#26015708 - 05/27/19 10:24 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Soil?...go white later? Hmmm I don’t understand. Do you mean substrate (soil) and colonise (go white later)
From what I’m getting you’d be doing a spawn to bulk . What that means is you mixing your jars into a bulk substrate at a ratio of 1:4
What are you growing, maybe search more using the right terminology https://www.shroomery.org/13894/Glossary-and-Lexicon-of-The-Online-Mushroom-Communitys-OMC-terms
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westdrayton
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From what I’m getting you’d be doing a spawn to bulk . What that means is you mixing your jars into a bulk substrate at a ratio of 1:4
I understand that mushroom spawn is simply any substance that has been inoculated with mycelium. How to make that spawn? I know how to inject spores into jars to create white cakes. How to make appropriate spawn to put into those shoe boxes?
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Strainsfordaze
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Typically spores wouldn't be used as an inoculum for substrates (media which hosts inoculum). The spores would need to be isolated and cleaned using Agar, from there you would inoculate grains (spawn) then transfer to sterilized Soil(substrate) once the spawn has become fully colonized. Glad to see you showing an interest in growing. Keep it up, maybe browse the site to catch up on terminology.
Edited by Strainsfordaze (05/27/19 10:51 AM)
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After the spawn turns white, you would then transfer it to a substrate mix (vermiculite and coco coir for example) and this entire mixture will colonize once more.
This is how I prepare my substrate (soil)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11917410
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Depends on what your growing but for what I do. I go from spores to liquid culture to grain then either fruit or mix with bulk substrate like coir, manure and vermiculite.
I’m still experimenting.
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westdrayton
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On your linked page you have 5 jars of spawn which you put into a show box.
How do you make those 5 jars of spawn?
That is my question.
Can you show a tutorial how to make those 5 spawn jars?
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This is how I prepare my substrate (soil)
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11917410
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westdrayton
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Shroomerquest,
I understand you make a "liquid culture" and then you make "grain" which is the spawn that goes to shoe box. How you make the "liquid culture" and how you add it to the grain?
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I go from spores to liquid culture to grain then either fruit or mix with bulk substrate like coir, manure and vermiculite.
I’m still experimenting.
I'm confused how to make shoe box way to grow. I understand how to make a box but i don't understand how you make the white spawn stuff to put inside a shoe box.
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Re: shoe box content tek request [Re: westdrayton]
#26015811 - 05/27/19 11:23 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Well at first I was buying liquid culture.
Just inoculate with spores, let it grow then use that to add to the desired amount of another substrate that you will be putting in the shoebox.
Assuming you have everything sterile
Sorry for the lack of description im trying to reply as simply as possible to be quick in responding
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I spent over a year creeping the forums before I became a member.
I’m gona be writing up on my escapades very soon
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westdrayton
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So, the first phase is to make a jar that has water and agar powder inside?
The keyword for me to search for that is "mushrooms agar tek"?
The second step is to boil the agar jar and inject spores into the jar?
Third step is to wait until spores grow inside the liquid and then pour the liquid into new jars that have granular substrates inside? And then wait until the liquid culture grows inside the granular jars and then put its contents into a shoe box?
Right?
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Shroomerquest said:
Well at first I was buying liquid culture.
Just inoculate with spores, let it grow then use that to add to the desired amount of another substrate that you will be putting in the shoebox.
Assuming you have everything sterile
Sorry for the lack of description im trying to reply as simply as possible to be quick in responding
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Re: shoe box content tek request [Re: westdrayton]
#26015855 - 05/27/19 11:44 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Research away by all means it’s up to you. I’ve never done agar work to get results. By jar I was meaning brf or grains inoculated with spores then once that is complete mix it with the bulk and add to the shoebox and left for a while(colonising)
After a while the box will then be white (colonised)
Again, excuse me lack of description I’m doing two things at once
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complete* I meant colonised
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westdrayton
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I think i got hints now how to go and search the appropriate Tek.
First i have to use agar plates to grow small spawns and then i can put those spawn pieces to either a bigger liquid jar to grow bigger or right into a granular rice jar like on this picture:
And then i will have a spawn jar that grow white and i can pour it into a shoe box.
I will read that Tek for next:
BOD's Comprehensive Agar TEK:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21922023/fpart/all/vc/1
I think i got leads now how to procede. My overall goal is to try that show box way. By now I have only done typical BRF cakes way.
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Re: shoe box content tek request [Re: westdrayton] 1
#26015929 - 05/27/19 12:25 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Happy days, getting somewhere...
I’ve never done brf cakes. Wbs to horse manure coir verm mix.
Colonising wheat atm
Best of luck
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Ps that looks like wheat in that pic, I could be wrong
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looks like oats to me.
Put spores on agar, wait for it to grow out.
drop that agar piece into a grain jar that you've loaded and PCed
wait till the grain jar gets colonized
mix with coir at a 1:1, 1:2 ratio
wait for shoebox to colonize and boom mushrooms
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Re: shoe box content tek request [Re: Crackatoa]
#26015981 - 05/27/19 12:54 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, this way i will do.
Now i understand how to procede.
Thanks everybody.
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looks like oats to me.
Put spores on agar, wait for it to grow out.
drop that agar piece into a grain jar that you've loaded and PCed
wait till the grain jar gets colonized
mix with coir at a 1:1, 1:2 ratio
wait for shoebox to colonize and boom mushrooms
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Re: shoe box content tek request [Re: westdrayton]
#26016010 - 05/27/19 01:03 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah oats, wheat are very similar whole I believe
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At the top of all of my teks are links to the other teks that go along with everything you need to do to cultivate. Also a flow chart
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