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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: sandman420]
    #26011552 - 05/24/19 06:38 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Always keep one hand in your pocket when doing electrical work, keeps electricity from crossing your heart and keeps your stray hand from touching something dumb accidentally. A pair of electrical safety with leather cover gloves are like $20-$30 also.




if you're into something, this is good advice. 120v receptacles absolutely can kill you if you grab hot with one hand, and either neutral, ground, or a convenient water pipe with the other.

stare, the problem you described with the fluorescent kitchen lights sounds like a spent ballast. this would require either rewiring or replacing the fixture.

the hall light that responds to slapping the adjacent wall is the one i'd worry most about.

i recently had to find and fix a loose neutral in the ceiling above a ceiling fan that still worked, which broke the circuit leading to about a quarter of my house. what a pisser that was to find. caps, i almost messaged you for advice. multimeter at a wall receptacle downstream read 80V but nothing was there. wouldn't light an indicator or anything, it was so confusing.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SunnyDayze]
    #26011598 - 05/24/19 07:12 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Iโ€™m not saying this is your issue.....and Iโ€™m not an electrician, but when checking breakers it doesnโ€™t necessarily flip to the off position when it trips.  When you manually flip your breaker back and forth you can feel if it doesnโ€™t snap on and off nicely then it is probably weak and you should replace it.  Not sure if when you check them you are just looking at them or actually flipping them.  I feel your pain on old wiring, sounds like you have a great combination of things going on.




Yep, I read that earlier and reset nearly all of them (all the ones which would be close to kitchen anyway).


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stare, the problem you described with the fluorescent kitchen lights sounds like a spent ballast. this would require either rewiring or replacing the fixture.

the hall light that responds to slapping the adjacent wall is the one i'd worry most about.




Well there's like 5 fixtures in the ceiling panels and nothing at all is coming on when I hit the switch. It seems weird to me that the dehydrator running on that circuit would kill all of the lights without tripping the breaker (dehydrators and fan never stopped working which I think they would if the breaker tripped). Given it was always wonky with the switch, I'd say wiring just went extra wonky? I have extra bulbs, but not extra fixtures.

How worried should I be about the hall? It's a ceiling light with a normal bulb socket. If I slapped the wall right where the switch is, light would flicker and go out. Just loose wiring? I just haven't used that hallway in forever. But I'd like the kitchen lol

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #26011601 - 05/24/19 07:18 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

That's pretty concerning shit dude.

Probably a loose wire. Definitely has the possibility of starting a fire.

The ceiling must be run on a different circuit.

I didn't read anything before this much.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
    #26011675 - 05/24/19 08:12 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Without going into too much detail and derailing this thread, I rent and the owners are absolutely not going to do anything further to improve this home. So for the immediate concerns, such as a hot wire loose in my wall potentially catching fire, what would be the necessary tools I'd need to safely take a look? This is about as far as I'm willing to go with tinkering around in the walls, so if I can't immediately troubleshoot a loose connection, I'd outsource. I'd be cool with just being able to safely look, confirm, and holler at a pro. Do I need both multi-meter and non-contact voltage tester?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #26011778 - 05/24/19 09:29 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

didn't realize it was many fixtures. unlikely a ballast if they're on and off in unison. you're right, adding a resistive load like a dehydrator wouldn't make lights go out without tripping the breaker and going out itself. are you certain the dehydrator is on the same circuit?

immediate concerns, wires wouldn't be loose inside the wall so much as inside of boxes. i mean, unless a mouse was chewing plastic or fabric covered cables or something, in which case you're fucked and require an electrician. kinda doubt it tho. so checking connections inside of receptacles, switch boxes, light fixtures, etc might be where this leads after ruling out the easy stuff.

multimeter isn't necessary. noncontact voltage sensors can be deceptive. like the 80V reading i got with the loose neutral, the NCV thing lit up, but a directly connected lamp did not.

how old is this place? are all the outlets the three prong type? where can otd discussions like this be sent?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26011809 - 05/24/19 10:14 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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didn't realize it was many fixtures. unlikely a ballast if they're on and off in unison. you're right, adding a resistive load like a dehydrator wouldn't make lights go out without tripping the breaker and going out itself. are you certain the dehydrator is on the same circuit?




I'm not. I mentioned this uncertainty earlier as I wasn't really sure how to tell without attempting to play with the lights. But I know enough to know I don't know enough so didn't mess with them.

My circuit breaker lists the bigger appliances as their own double-pole, with range/oven, hot water heater, garbage disposal, and dishwasher on their own 240 circuits. There are 2 additional circuits for 2 above the counter outlets, but they're not dedicated. One controls 1 outlet and my fridge, the other has 3 outlets and possibly the ceiling lights (dehydrator and fan use these outlets).

Later tonight I'll more thoroughly reset each circuit breaker to better establish what does what.


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immediate concerns, wires wouldn't be loose inside the wall so much as inside of boxes. i mean, unless a mouse was chewing plastic or fabric covered cables or something, in which case you're fucked and require an electrician. kinda doubt it tho. so checking connections inside of receptacles, switch boxes, light fixtures, etc might be where this leads after ruling out the easy stuff.




Yes, sorry, I do know the wires are within boxes/receptacles and not just stuffed in my insulation or something. I'm currently researching tools to safely check sockets/outlets, etc.


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multimeter isn't necessary. noncontact voltage sensors can be deceptive. like the 80V reading i got with the loose neutral, the NCV thing lit up, but a directly connected lamp did not.

how old is this place? are all the outlets the three prong type? where can otd discussions like this be sent?




What would you suggest I get? I was going to grab a cheap, but highly rated combo with the NCVS and plug-in outlet tester, a pair of gloves, wire cutters, and insulated screwdriver set. Seems like a worthy investment for cheap.

I'd say the place was probably built in the late 50's or early 60s? Yes, outlets are 3-prong.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #26011877 - 05/24/19 11:27 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Flash, with a loose neutral, there's no return path, so a load can't be applied, but it will read hot with NCV sensor

Can always strip out both ends of a short piece of insulated wire, short out an outlet (with your eyes closed) to determine if it's the same circuit, if it's not, could just be that it's an old system, well loaded,  and the dehydrator is bogging it down... what size main?  Lot of stuff running?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26011896 - 05/24/19 11:42 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Nothing in the kitchen has run in the past 24 hours or so. One thing I've noticed and I don't think I'm imagining this is that my bedroom bulbs are glowing brighter than before, I swear. I'm not sure if that's good or bad or whatever.

My main size is confusing. The top says circuits shouldn't exceed 110A, but the lower section says main has a max of 200A. So my main size is 200, but no single circuit can exceed 110?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #26011898 - 05/24/19 11:46 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds like... how I'd read it lol... makes me feel like it's maxed out... big house?  Lots running? 200A should be sufficient, but 60+ yo wiring may be the issue


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26011901 - 05/24/19 11:52 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Time for an electrics thread perhaps? Seems like a lot of ppl run into these problems.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Tweeq]
    #26011937 - 05/25/19 12:23 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Well lot's is subjective, but I don't think so, no. At times, yes, but lately and now, no. I should do a count and make sure I'm not going over, but I highly doubt it. Beyond phantom power, I just have lamps, computer, phone chargers, etc.

Okay, I am pretty sure I can hear a slight humming near the kitchen wall where the receptacle is that I don't think was there before (heard it earlier, but wanted to confirm before mentioning). It's tough because this is where my neighbors unit and mine meet so it could be something of his, but I doubt it. There's also a light little "plonnngg" sound when I flick the switch on, as well.

All of this + how I'd have to flick it quickly to get the lights lit up previously makes me think it's not a breaker, the bulbs themselves, or my dehydrator fucking shit up, but the wiring/outlet/whatever needs to be inspected as something is wrong where the receptacle is doling out the energy. Still need to isolate kitchen light switch to the breaker.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #26011976 - 05/25/19 01:00 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

May be devices failing... but I'm betting on loose connections... surge or something heated the system: expansion/xontraction, loose screw,wire nut, something


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26011985 - 05/25/19 01:14 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Word. The humming was near the baseboard heating unit in the kitchen. Turned off the circuit breaker for those and it stopped, so I don't know. I'll try and wrap this up since it's definitely out of place, but what do you think Caps? Get me some little gadgets and open it up tomorrow and see if anything is visibly loose/fucked?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #26011988 - 05/25/19 01:19 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Wouldn't buy anything to start,  and would definitely just cut the main breaker... it's likely going to be obvious lose connections... likely multiple from the sounds... a recent surge /lightning strike would make sense, could potentially cause widespread symptom occurrences having all been wired at the same time... start simple  (cheapest) and work out from there


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26011991 - 05/25/19 01:21 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Hope it's not some fucked up voltage coming in from utility... might have a lawsuit on your hands then though $$$... especially if any fancy equipment gets ruined


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26012079 - 05/25/19 03:19 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I am anticipating loose wires for sure, at least in hallway, and double checking voltage with some gadgets is like $8 at HD, so meh. Hallway light was acting weird like a year ago or some shit.

Beyond fixing the kitchen lights,  I still need to find out optimal setup for dehydro and AA25x I want to run soon. Thanks for the help. Crashing finally.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stareatclouds]
    #26012115 - 05/25/19 04:33 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

One of my tools I donโ€™t do without, probably because Iโ€™m an amateur, a chicken shit and keep finding mislabelled breakers, is a digital test pen.  I like to double triple check the power is off.  And they are cheap.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26012251 - 05/25/19 07:23 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Flash, with a loose neutral, there's no return path, so a load can't be applied, but it will read hot with NCV sensor




indeed. but why does hot to neutral that's broken one or two boxes upstream read 80V? made me question everything i thought i knew about the universe and smash to pieces an extremely low quality multimeter because i thought it was lying to me.
the thought about lightning/surge is reasonable. my present full time job has a large troubleshooting component to it. multiple simultaneous failures rarely happen by total coincidence.

stare, sorry if i missed it, but did all this funny business start happening at once?
mid 1960's saw lots of houses built using aluminum wiring. might be a contributing factor. 
https://www.carsondunlop.com/training/resources/the-true-story-behind-aluminum-wiring-part-one/
i think your tools selection is wise. hope you get it sorted out safely, cheaply, and completely.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26012276 - 05/25/19 07:47 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

May be intermittent, or have some unintended resistance somehow? I've seen some wonky shit like that, and just clear up... how's the reading at utility? Voltage and frequency good? Could be a lost/intermittent leg or neutral in the supply...


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26012387 - 05/25/19 09:20 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Is 4 door knob sized holes in a monotub good enough?


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