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And: A more accurate term is PAE, Passive Air Exchange. PAE is why we make holes in larger tubs. In shoeboxes, the gap between lid and tub is sufficient. Eventually the fruits may push the lid up and off, allowing even more air when itβs needed.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: mushman203]
#28215706 - 03/05/23 11:19 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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mushman203 said: Hi guys. I'm new to mycology and the forum but this TEK looks a good place for me to start.
I'm a little confused though as alot of information I read talks about the importance of FAE especially during fruiting. This TEK though just has the lid on the whole time.
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The purple handle shoeboxes can dial in FAE quite nicely. You can put lids on and leave the handles latched for least FAE. Simply unlatch the handles to add a little more. If you still need more you can Flip the lids upside down and put the handles UP. For maximum FAE leave the handles down with the lids upside down. EZ PZ
When mush get too tall Flip a second shoebox upside down instead of the lid and you good till harvest
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: RockinRobot]
#28215841 - 03/05/23 12:44 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the welcome and the help guys. Hopefully I've posted this picture properly. I'm guessing by gasket you mean a rubber seal making it airtight.
These tubs are 6ltrs which is just over 6 US quarts and I don't think they have a gasket.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: mushman203]
#28216998 - 03/06/23 08:36 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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It looks good. Youβre ready.
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My jars are only about 2/3 full. is it okay to use it with the same amount of coir in a shoebox or should I add more grain from another jar so the grain jar is filled with an amount of about 3/4?
or should I just use a bit more coir to fill the shoebox a bit more?
(I honestly would prefer not mixing up any jars to prevent any possible contamination in case a jar has contamination - if possible)
Edited by enigma2k (03/20/23 03:54 AM)
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: enigma2k] 1
#28237834 - 03/20/23 09:56 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Just fill another (clean!) jar to that same level with coir. I wouldn't go more than 1:1.5 ratio with that spawn. But it's not too bad, especially for oats.
You might want a smaller footprint of container than a shoebox, to keep the sub depth up. But if it's all you have then go for it. It'll just need more attention with regard to misting. Add a 1/2" pseudocasing of coir, with verm in it if you have some, that should help with water retention.
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DharmaForKarma said:

And: A more accurate term is PAE, Passive Air Exchange. PAE is why we make holes in larger tubs. In shoeboxes, the gap between lid and tub is sufficient. Eventually the fruits may push the lid up and off, allowing even more air when itβs needed.
I really like PAE instead of Fresh/free air exchange. Passive definetly feels more correct. Long as I've been here FAE has been the more used term by far, but I think i like this better.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: LtLurker]
#28261914 - 04/04/23 11:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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24 hours after spawning my WBS jars to shoeboxes following your tek, how we looking? I followed the recipe exactly but still ended up with way way too much water in my coco, had to squeeze the hell out of it handful by handful before putting it in my bins.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Quinnn]
#28261927 - 04/04/23 11:59 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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How much of each, Coco and water?
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: NFLProof]
#28261942 - 04/04/23 12:08 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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NFLProof said: How much of each, Coco and water?
200g coco, 920g water, aka 1L - 8% as per the instructions. Or did I misunderstand something? I went by the instructions on the coco tek linked above.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Quinnn]
#28261944 - 04/04/23 12:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: NFLProof]
#28295937 - 04/26/23 08:50 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Well, update on my oversaturated tubs: 2 of them stalled and never got pins. One of them is now pinning and I've harvested ~3g dry so far from the first couple mushrooms.
I think I may have fucked up. I had fuzzy feet and no condensation on the tub walls, so I did a light misting. Since doing this, it's been a couple days and a lot of the big pins stopped growing and appear to have aborted with black caps, and the ones that were close to dropping their veils seem to have stopped or slowed down substantially in the last couple days.
Any thoughts on where to go from here?


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Quinnn] 3
#28324688 - 05/18/23 11:49 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Just wanted to post my first flush with this tek. This is minus about 40gs wet that I harvested early as they were huge and way ahead of the pack. Done with BRF but will be trying again with wheat grain. They def look like they were lacking FAE (long stems and small caps) so I may experiment and do one with a spawn/sub ratio of 1:2:1 and dub tub it to see the results. Overall tho very happy and only got one single side pin that grew to massive size so easy to get!!
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Quinnn]
#28331790 - 05/23/23 07:37 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Quinnn said: Well, update on my oversaturated tubs: 2 of them stalled and never got pins. One of them is now pinning and I've harvested ~3g dry so far from the first couple mushrooms.
I think I may have fucked up. I had fuzzy feet and no condensation on the tub walls, so I did a light misting. Since doing this, it's been a couple days and a lot of the big pins stopped growing and appear to have aborted with black caps, and the ones that were close to dropping their veils seem to have stopped or slowed down substantially in the last couple days.
Any thoughts on where to go from here?



I'm jave a similar problem with two tubs of KSSS. Sub looked dry so I bottom watered it a bit. A day later and still no change. The tubs look great too and wanna give full canopies but I can't get them out of this dang stalled state.
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Hi there, following this tek for the first time. Got some PE MS into bfr jars, shredded at ratio 1:1.5 coir.
It took around 12 days to get fully colonized, 12h light on off lids just sitting unlatched.
I have misted a few times as the top appeared too dry and the substrate was pulling away from the box, but now I believe I've made the surface too wet?
Also didn't know PE needed casing layer so I'm expecting blobs first flush, in fact I think there's already a few going on there but it appears some of them are yellowish and not much sign of grown in the past 24h.
Should I take the lids off to let some of that evaporate or just leave it be?
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: jordand77]
#28335268 - 05/26/23 09:34 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I'd leave it be personally. It's not like you have puddles, but it does look slightly over misted. You start messing with fae that much now you could just end up over drying it and matting the surface.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: dowodenum]
#28335312 - 05/26/23 10:10 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Why wouldn't you do more than 1:1.5 with that spawn?
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Way]
#28336864 - 05/27/23 11:46 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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Way said: I'd leave it be personally. It's not like you have puddles, but it does look slightly over misted. You start messing with fae that much now you could just end up over drying it and matting the surface.
I listened to you and left it be, today I woke up to find what looks like hundreds of tiny pins, the blobs seem to have stopped growing? I think there's only a few blobs that got bigger. Might actually get some fruits the first flush
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: jordand77]
#28348173 - 06/05/23 12:15 PM (1 year, 21 days ago) |
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Hey all! Just joined a month or so ago and been reading a bunch on these boards and have learned a lot. I have followed this shoebox tech for my first grow. Thanks to SharperDreaming and Bod, great information.
I attached 2 images of my shoebox that I Spawned on 6/1. I did the soaking spray of the top layer of Coir and it looks to me like it's turning back to the lighter color already. Is that OK?
I attached the outside picture of box to show the water on sides etc. Also, I opened the box for first time today and thats when I noticed that the top layer of Coir was lighter than when I first soaked the top and the myc didnt have any beads of water. So, I gave a fine mist which is why you can now see beads on the myc.
Did I jump the gun on misting? I read in this Tek somewhere that beads won't show well on myc until a lot of myc has surfaced.

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Stroms]
#28348183 - 06/05/23 12:25 PM (1 year, 21 days ago) |
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Stroms said: Hey all! Just joined a month or so ago and been reading a bunch on these boards and have learned a lot. I have followed this shoebox tech for my first grow. Thanks to SharperDreaming and Bod, great information.
I attached 2 images of my shoebox that I Spawned on 6/1. I did the soaking spray of the top layer of Coir and it looks to me like it's turning back to the lighter color already. Is that OK?
I attached the outside picture of box to show the water on sides etc. Also, I opened the box for first time today and thats when I noticed that the top layer of Coir was lighter than when I first soaked the top and the myc didnt have any beads of water. So, I gave a fine mist which is why you can now see beads on the myc.
Did I jump the gun on misting? I read in this Tek somewhere that beads won't show well on myc until a lot of myc has surfaced.


I would have left it alone. You shouldn't ever have to mist before full colonization, let alone after 4 days. Close it back up and don't worry about the surface until full colonization. It'll be fine though.
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