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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: derswahl]
#27248279 - 03/11/21 01:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Like they said, may be a little moist in there. I would just up the FAE a bit and let it ride. Some cultures are more prone to blobbing but that was crazy amount of them. I've never had an issue with B+ doing that but they're all different. It may have been environmental, genetic or maybe some sort of contaminant that may have caused that. Blobs can be quite potent though.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Crackatoa]
#27248542 - 03/11/21 04:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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shromergic said: I can't seem to get any pinning. I've tried multiple shoebox teks and they start colonizing but never pin or fully take over the coir. I don't know what I'm doing wrong but it smells fine, the grain jars colonized well and I even let it run for an extra week or two from fully colonized. It's when I spawn and follow the OP is where I'm doing something incorrect. Maybe not to field capacity? I always make it to around 2 weeks and it'll stop colonizing and never pin and just dries out. BTW I'm using 100% coir with WBS and an extra layer on top as a casing layer.
I keep the temperature around 70-75 F, humidity is always 90 , mostly at 100%. I don't peek or open the top and let it run. Could it just be the strain or something wrong with it? Currently using B and it was growing fine on a petri and jars so I'm confused on why my spawning is incorrect if I'm following the OP exactly.
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Crackatoa said: Do you have pictures of your shoebox and spawn?
Here you go, first picture is the first box. Second image is the second box and third image is just to show the side of it. Both boxes looks similar to third image. Didn't work out so I thought it might have not been wet enough, i wet the top layer a bit more on the second one but still similar results. Could it be genetic? I would think something would at least pop up. I understand the first box is very dried out, I've been misting to see if I can push it along but for 3-4 weeks I monitored the surface conditions and it was ideal as far as I know.
As far as my experience on this B+, they move amazingly well and quick the first week and quickly slows down during the second week when I put them in the shoebox. The mycelium is good, they recover quickly after being shaking up in the jar and I usually see some growth within a day. But when spawning them they seem to lack that strength.
Edited by shromergic (03/11/21 04:31 PM)
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: shromergic]
#27248781 - 03/11/21 06:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've had 1 culture do this to me. I'm still trying to get that tricky bastard. Is that straight coir on top? Added at spawning?
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Anyone finding it harder to keep proper surface conditions after the first flush? Wether I dunk or heavily spray after first harvest, I cant seem to hold proper surface moisture for the second flush in shoeboxes (which still comes, but not sure if I can make them flush better).
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Crackatoa]
#27249282 - 03/12/21 03:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crackatoa said: I've had 1 culture do this to me. I'm still trying to get that tricky bastard. Is that straight coir on top? Added at spawning?
Yea only coir added at spawning. Your experience gives me a peace of mind that it might just be the culture and not me. Smells like mushrooms and I can't find contaminates. I guess I just have to start a whole new different one.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: shromergic]
#27249851 - 03/12/21 12:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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These are my first shoe-boxes, 12 days since I spawned to bulk in them. I followed the grain to coir instructions with the 1/4" top layer that is then wet-down. Lids have been closed. Two different strains growing across these six boxes, and each strain comes from a different isolate on agar so I expect to see some variations accordingly. 76F room temp 24x7 with daylight LEDs on a 12/12 cycle.
I misted a couple times in the first couple days but decided to stop and just leave them alone. Touching the coir on top feels damp, not soaking wet and not dry. Feels about like field capacity to the touch, but I'm not picking it up and squeezing it so can't say for sure.
How does everything look? During colonization I guess the only thing I need to be concerned with is water, since humidity and FAE are pretty automatic with these boxes. I do note that growth in mine seems slow at 12 days compared to growth in the tek pictures, but some of that could be genetics I guess.




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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27252963 - 03/14/21 07:58 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi all,
Just wanted to say thanks again for the help over the last few weeks. This is my first grow. I only have a small closet to work with, and this tek seemed to cover all of my bases. Obviously there is tons of room for improvement, but I’m still really satisfied with my results as a first timer.
Here are some images from tonight. I ended up harvesting all the ones that had open veils, I think in the next day or so the rest should be ready to rock.
Cheers all,
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: derswahl]
#27253388 - 03/15/21 05:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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derswahl said: Hi all,
Just wanted to say thanks again for the help over the last few weeks. This is my first grow. I only have a small closet to work with, and this tek seemed to cover all of my bases. Obviously there is tons of room for improvement, but I’m still really satisfied with my results as a first timer.
Here are some images from tonight. I ended up harvesting all the ones that had open veils, I think in the next day or so the rest should be ready to rock.
Cheers all,

Congrats, brother! Good work. What variety is that? They look nice.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: jay.ach]
#27253878 - 03/15/21 12:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you! These are GT. Been great so far!
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I'm curious about how many people have to mist for this tek but I don't see much discussion about it in this thread.
I live in a pretty dry climate and I've also got a small 6" clip fan on low blowing into my tent.
My boxes are on day 5 since I have whipped them together and I noticed that the corners of the shoeboxes are dry compared to the sides.
Coir looks a bit lighter than it did when I spawned and I also didn't notice any condensation on the surface.
Anyways I decided to give a light misting , spraying upwards and letting the mist fall into my substrate. The corners are bearing water droplets again and the sub got some more moisture now as well. This is the after photo. I forgot to take a before photo.

Just curious what others opinions are on this matter, I wouldn't mind posting updates as well.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: b00mhauer]
#27258190 - 03/17/21 10:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Get rid of the fan, I could never use a fan, dried everything out. When I had a tent setup my fan blew out pulling air through the tent instead around the tent. Cubes do better with lid snapped on and sitting on a shelf.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Crackatoa]
#27258194 - 03/17/21 10:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the tip. I'll shut the fan off and monitor the progress. I garuntee the corners don't dry up now. In your experience do you think they'll still be able to get the fae they need?
Do you think it's likely that in five days the fan has dried my surface to a fubar state?
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: b00mhauer]
#27258216 - 03/17/21 11:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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they'll get enough FAE, and recover just fine.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Crackatoa]
#27258420 - 03/18/21 05:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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If some shoeboxes are stalled but show no visible signs of contams and the moisture/humidity look good, what are the possible causes?
I started with spore print to agar. Isolated the resulting germinations into separate plates. Grew those plates out and transferred to grain - one jar per plate. So each jar has somewhat different genetics from the single spore print. And then spawned to bulk following this tek.
I had 7 shoeboxes in total. 6 out of 7 are just sitting there in various stages of colonization from 100% down to like 10%. NO signs of contams. Been 13 days. Plenty of condensation, lids have been kept on. One box took off and developed a crazy thick pinset and I'm harvesting already just 13 days after spawning to bulk. The rest just sit there.
I've been thinking it just comes down to genetics.... that of the transfers I took, only one out of seven happened to be a good fruiter. Aside from that, what else could it be? If it were contams, I would see some signs right? Any other reasons?
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27258747 - 03/18/21 11:26 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hindsight said: If some shoeboxes are stalled but show no visible signs of contams and the moisture/humidity look good, what are the possible causes?
I started with spore print to agar. Isolated the resulting germinations into separate plates. Grew those plates out and transferred to grain - one jar per plate. So each jar has somewhat different genetics from the single spore print. And then spawned to bulk following this tek.
I had 7 shoeboxes in total. 6 out of 7 are just sitting there in various stages of colonization from 100% down to like 10%. NO signs of contams. Been 13 days. Plenty of condensation, lids have been kept on. One box took off and developed a crazy thick pinset and I'm harvesting already just 13 days after spawning to bulk. The rest just sit there.
I've been thinking it just comes down to genetics.... that of the transfers I took, only one out of seven happened to be a good fruiter. Aside from that, what else could it be? If it were contams, I would see some signs right? Any other reasons?
genetics and patience I think
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: sharkjazz] 1
#27269313 - 03/25/21 06:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shoeboxes are the way to go. I bought a Burma spore syringe off the internet. I spawned some to grain and got a variety of shrooms. I put some to agar and isolated them down. I also isolated an albino mushroom and put some spores to agar. This is where I’m at!
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Steve9333]
#27269324 - 03/25/21 07:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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That albino Burma is badass.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Steve9333]
#27273739 - 03/28/21 09:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's completely dope. Fantastic job!
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: b00mhauer]
#27273746 - 03/28/21 09:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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b00mhauer said: I'm curious about how many people have to mist for this tek but I don't see much discussion about it in this thread.
I live in a pretty dry climate and I've also got a small 6" clip fan on low blowing into my tent.
My boxes are on day 5 since I have whipped them together and I noticed that the corners of the shoeboxes are dry compared to the sides.
Coir looks a bit lighter than it did when I spawned and I also didn't notice any condensation on the surface.
Anyways I decided to give a light misting , spraying upwards and letting the mist fall into my substrate. The corners are bearing water droplets again and the sub got some more moisture now as well. This is the after photo. I forgot to take a before photo.

Just curious what others opinions are on this matter, I wouldn't mind posting updates as well.
The right side where it's darker looks too dry. The left side looks way too dry. Definitely get rid of the fan.
For cubes and shoeboxes I don't think you really want to keep them in a tent. Folks who do cubes in tents/greenhouses tend to use trays, not tubs, and also have ultrasonic humidifiers on a humidistat, and fans on a cycle. A lot of them just end up going back to tubs for cubes anyway, but the tents give you the ability to grow a ton of other species in addition to cubes.
As to your question, you will definitely need to mist that box, but without the fan I can't say if you will end up needing to again. I usually end up misting my shoeboxes, but it also depends how you setup your field capacity as well.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: karri0n]
#27276476 - 03/30/21 11:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks to the OG poster who shared this wisdom!
Does this tek (or tub tek) work with any culinary mushrooms?
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