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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: sharkjazz]
    #27246637 - 03/10/21 12:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

veils are just splitting from the bigger mushrooms. Will pick in a few hours I think and get some prints.

Just noticed the substrate is pulling away from the side, about 5mm in places. This means it's drying out?

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: sharkjazz]
    #27247331 - 03/10/21 09:00 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hey just looking for some more advice on this. I’ve done as the tek describes and much as the thread started I’m getting blobbing of epic proportion. Is there a safe way to avoid it?

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Uzimyco]
    #27247333 - 03/10/21 09:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Hey just looking for some more advice on this. I’ve done as the tek describes and much as the thread started I’m getting blobbing of epic proportion. Is there a safe way to avoid it?

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27247347 - 03/10/21 09:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

No I believe b+









Lots of blob tubs aren’t fun at all


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Uzimyco]
    #27247348 - 03/10/21 09:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Oh and those pics are from like day 17


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Uzimyco]
    #27247428 - 03/10/21 11:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I can't seem to get any pinning. I've tried multiple shoebox teks and they start colonizing but never pin or fully take over the coir. I don't know what I'm doing wrong but it smells fine, the grain jars colonized well and I even let it run for an extra week or two from fully colonized. It's when I spawn and follow the OP is where I'm doing something incorrect. Maybe not to field capacity? I always make it to around 2 weeks and it'll stop colonizing and never pin and just dries out. BTW I'm using 100% coir with WBS and an extra layer on top as a casing layer.

I keep the temperature around 70-75 F, humidity is always 90+, mostly at 100%. I don't peek or open the top and let it run. Could it just be the strain or something wrong with it? Currently using B+ and it was growing fine on a petri and jars so I'm confused on why my spawning is incorrect if I'm following the OP exactly.

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: shromergic]
    #27247509 - 03/11/21 12:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Do you have pictures of your shoebox and spawn?


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: shromergic]
    #27247662 - 03/11/21 05:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I don’t know a whole lot but I think I know the problem.

I’ve seen this rampant all over this forum and only through my friend did I get it
Solved. I haven’t written this anywhere but I know it is an issue related to all kinds of peoples failure.

I’m going to solve your problem right now.

“Having a box closes the whole time make no sense whatsoever. These things need oxygen and not carbon dioxide. The concept that maybe some air will exchange through a tiny crack makes no sense to me. I mean of course i could be wrong. It going to be my one post on the issue. People jabber all over this forum and rarely ever talk about the import of fae. I mean look at the tek. How in hell is it closed. Set and forget. Don’t open. No fae??  I mean when I tried it without doing fanning it was a total nothing”. Want pinning. Take the damn tops off and fan later on. Mist when necessary. Set and forget? Not for me.


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Uzimyco]
    #27247673 - 03/11/21 06:10 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, fresh air and reduced humidity is what triggers pinning.
Keeping the lid closed with almost 100% humidity is pretty much the opposite.

I always take the lid off and fan once or twice a day after the substrate is colonized.

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27247807 - 03/11/21 08:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Just pulled 280grams wet and about 40% of the first flush still to be picked (all jars originally from MS syringe and some g2g jars as well)

Happy with that.

As to pinning, I think is genetic in part as well.

I prepared two boxes same time, same substrate, same everything. One tub just about finished 1st flush, other tub (amazon strain) still waiting to colonize substrate!)


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Got some serious substrate pulling from sides of tub though, about 1cm (1/3"). What should I do about this? After harvest flush a big soak in water to rehydrate?

Got some sidepins / aborts as well on the side that faced the light, should I clean these off before dunking?

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: sharkjazz]
    #27248054 - 03/11/21 11:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Hi all,

Been following this tec for a bit now and finally got some pins today!  I was hoping those of you that are familiar with this method to tell me how they are looking.  I am getting worried they are too wet, but not sure if I should stay the course, or try to dry them out.

Appreciate any and all advice <3


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: derswahl]
    #27248068 - 03/11/21 11:22 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Looking good


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27248083 - 03/11/21 11:32 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks crack - I have the lids off now from some extra FAE as per some other users suggestions.  Do you think that’s needed?  I think I’m just getting antsy because I feel so close to the finish like and don’t want to throw away all my efforts.  Should I close the lids back up and stick with the plan, or let them dry a bit for an hour or two then get back to the tek

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Pandemoon]
    #27248199 - 03/11/21 12:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, fresh air and reduced humidity is what triggers pinning.
Keeping the lid closed with almost 100% humidity is pretty much the opposite.

I always take the lid off and fan once or twice a day after the substrate is colonized.

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Well this made my day quite honestly.  At least Im not completely losing my mind. Pandemoon, thank you for posting this.  At least I'm not the only one who is confused at a conceptual tek where there is little air exchange as I have found out repeatedly the downside of having things sealed up too tight.  And what I have found is that a point is reached and then everything stops. So yes, I have kept the tubs closed but when colonized I am opening up to fan and mist 2x a day.


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27248202 - 03/11/21 12:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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Looking good





I wouldnt get too excited just yet.  They could be, but look at my pics a couple of posts above.  I've got pins all over the place.  And they became blobbed to high holy hell.

Hopefully yours wont go as mine have.


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Uzimyco]
    #27248219 - 03/11/21 12:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Shoeboxes should get plenty of fae with the lids snapped on.

Mine get too much actually if the heat/ac is on.


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: derswahl]
    #27248233 - 03/11/21 12:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

You can keep the top off awhile, if just keep an eye on it so it doesn't dry out. You can flip the lid or put some spacers under the lid to keep it lifted an eighth to a quarter inch. I'll flip if the lid ain't all wonky and wanting to slid off, if so I'll use a little ball of paper towels or old petri dishes, anything I got handy really.

If it's keeping that much humidity you shouldn't need to mist. Most shoeboxes have FAE, you don't want puddles forming. Here's a few of my monos and shoebox style 16 quart with a flipped lid that's being pushed up. You can see them glisten. What happened after yours started pinning? Did you mist often? Open the lid and let dry to much?


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27248251 - 03/11/21 12:59 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

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You can keep the top off awhile, if just keep an eye on it so it doesn't dry out. You can flip the lid or put some spacers under the lid to keep it lifted an eighth to a quarter inch. I'll flip if the lid ain't all wonky and wanting to slid off, if so I'll use a little ball of paper towels or old petri dishes, anything I got handy really.

If it's keeping that much humidity you shouldn't need to mist. Most shoeboxes have FAE, you don't want puddles forming. Here's a few of my monos and shoebox style 16 quart with a flipped lid that's being pushed up. You can see them glisten. What happened after yours started pinning? Did you mist often? Open the lid and let dry to much?






Honestly I didn't really do anything special.  First it looked like they were maybe slowing down.  So I did flip the lids.  Then I said to myself that I might as well just do some fanning.  They blobbed from jump.  My best informational source has advised me that the blobbing is likely from my ratio of 1:1 with a .5 top and that likely a 2:1 with a .5 top will fix the issue moving forward.  Apparently some strains are more likely to do this.

Again, the OP's post has the same outcome so its not like bizarre.  The actual person who posted the tek in post #1 had the identical response.

I would naturally like to avoid it in the future :wink:


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27248256 - 03/11/21 01:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yours looks like what I would have liked mine to.  Hopefully that will be the outcome moving forward.

As I said in the post above it may be a spawn to sub ratio.  My qts of spawn are QUARTS of spawn.  Not 1/2, not 3/4.... like the whole thing.  So the 1:1 may not really be like the 1:1 of someone else as Ive seen quarts 1/2 or 3/4 full... mine tend to end up brimmed since I overproduce by accident.


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK (moved) [Re: Crackatoa]
    #27248260 - 03/11/21 01:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I have not misted at all.  I’ve just kept the lids slightly cracked.  Since it is my first grow - I took the precaution of doing one full cake per Tupperware.  When I place the lid I push it fairly tight on one side and angle the other, so you can still see a small air gap in between the lid and container.

I have let them sit like this for about 2-3 weeks, and just noticed pinning today!

I posted my progress photos on another thread and lots of folks said it was looking way too wet, so I removed the lids for the last hour or so, and shook off the excess moisture from the lid itself.  I just put the lids back on.

Should I be doing anything else to help these grow into nice strong fruit?  It was my understanding there was no misting/fanning/etc with this tec.  Set it, and misty forget it until the mushrooms are ready to harvest.

Any advice would be appreciated!

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