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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: LtLurker]
    #27112316 - 12/28/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Nutrients and fae are unrelated.


The reason sgfcs have so many holes is because they need air to flow through the perlite and cause evaporation. With tubs only the surface needs air.


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: A.k.a]
    #27112369 - 12/28/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yea true, but mateah's hc experiments have kinda showed you can run cakes in an unmod as well. I think that's why the question was asked.

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: LtLurker]
    #27120983 - 01/01/21 07:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Finally got a pin set going :cool:

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Alexjones]
    #27121544 - 01/02/21 05:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I've modified my shoeboxes slightly before the latest batch of four. 5 mm holes: two high up on each short side, two slightly above the substrate on each long side, so a total of 8 holes. I went with a 4:1 ratio of water to coir (e.g. 400 ml to 100 g) which turned out perfect for field capacity. The ratio of spawn to sub is between 2:1 and 3:1, since I've used one full (not myco-full, full-full) 0.9L jar of coir to mix with the spawn and then the same amount for top coat. 30s of misting, secure the lids and then nothing for 2-3 weeks but LED lights on autopilot. And I mean nothing - I haven't opened them once.

I harvested them yesterday. I wanted prints, so I let two of them go for too long and the spores made a mess, but I don't think that's a problem for potency or anything (is it?). The yields turned out to be, in fresh weight:

- 507 g
- 406 g
- 410 g
- 420 g

In other words, wow. I need a bigger dehydrator or two. And a vacuum sealer.

Thank you (again)!


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Frrrunkis]
    #27121568 - 01/02/21 05:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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- 507 g
- 406 g
- 410 g
- 420 g





Wow! That is -excellent- work. Well done, sir!


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: jay.ach]
    #27123987 - 01/03/21 01:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

A few more thoughts.

First, I can't believe this is where I am with this hobby half a year later. It all seemed way too difficult back then. It really is about patience and common sense most of the time.

Most challenging steps:
- getting something good going on agar (can be discouraging if your syringe is a mess, like mine was)
- getting proper filtering for your jars (I searched long and hard for decent PTFE filters, but they seem to work really well)

This whole process is now super efficient. I love how streamlined and simplified it is too. Agar, oat, coir - that's it.

I already have more dried mushrooms than I know what to do with.


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Frrrunkis]
    #27124319 - 01/03/21 04:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What kind of filters do you use?

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: EagerNoob42]
    #27125469 - 01/04/21 07:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Frrrunkis]
    #27130228 - 01/06/21 12:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Searching in the thread didn't turn up anything, but wondering if anyone has tried this particular TEK with these small IKEA Samla boxes?  (11" x 7.5" x 5.5")

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/samla-box-clear-70102972/

Mainly I'm wondering if the lids are going to let in enough air.  I've read that the Sterilites let in enough air even when latched, but these boxes don't have any openings in the lid at all.

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Frrrunkis]
    #27130248 - 01/06/21 12:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: adhoc]
    #27130257 - 01/06/21 12:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Searching in the thread didn't turn up anything, but wondering if anyone has tried this particular TEK with these small IKEA Samla boxes?  (11" x 7.5" x 5.5")

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/samla-box-clear-70102972/

Mainly I'm wondering if the lids are going to let in enough air.  I've read that the Sterilites let in enough air even when latched, but these boxes don't have any openings in the lid at all.




Those look about the same. It doesn't appear to be airtight. The gap between the lips of the lid and container will probably be enough

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: EagerNoob42]
    #27130477 - 01/06/21 01:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Those look about the same. It doesn't appear to be airtight. The gap between the lips of the lid and container will probably be enough




Cool, thanks.  Gonna give 'em a try and hopefully have something good to report back.

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: adhoc]
    #27132417 - 01/07/21 08:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Finally starting on my first grow.  Plan on doing the OG shoebox method as listed, but still at the spawn jar stage. 

I imagine this is going to be a slow process.  At this time of year, the highest temp I can maintain anywhere in the house is 65F, short of creating an artificial environment with a heat mat or something.  But I have read that this is not a good idea, so 65F it is. 

I have patience, just hope this will work.

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Dogbiscuit]
    #27132666 - 01/07/21 10:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Finally starting on my first grow.  Plan on doing the OG shoebox method as listed, but still at the spawn jar stage. 

I imagine this is going to be a slow process.  At this time of year, the highest temp I can maintain anywhere in the house is 65F, short of creating an artificial environment with a heat mat or something.  But I have read that this is not a good idea, so 65F it is. 

I have patience, just hope this will work.




It will work. My house was 61 all summer. BRF cakes are slow but if you're doing grain, it's not going to be as slow as you might be thinking.


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: karri0n]
    #27136988 - 01/09/21 07:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks.  I did go with rye berries as they were only a buck a pound at the local health food store. 

Now the wait.  Looks like the jars will spend their time at 66F with some exposure to indirect window light. 

For the shoeboxes, I have a bunch of the sterilite 7 quart latching boxes.  I think the number on them is 1922.  I'm prepping 2 quarts of GT spawn, and also 2 quarts of King Oyster to make the DIY sound better to my wife. :ooo:  I read here that some had good luck with KO in shoeboxes as long as you give them more FAE when fruiting begins.

The only fault, which I realize is reviewed here frequently, is that I inoculated from spore syringes and not agar.  I just didn't have the ability to take it to that level right now, so if they spoil then it's my own dumb fault.  I'm in no hurry so if it's a fail I'll learn from it and take it to the aqar step next time.

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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Dogbiscuit]
    #27137231 - 01/09/21 09:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You should start agar now so that you're accustomed to it when you happen to get a clone or print. It's a lot easier than people think. Then you should look up Munch's blenderless liquid inoculate, or similar tek.


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: HappinessStan]
    #27142232 - 01/11/21 03:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, so...

Is there a consistent technique for 2nd and further flushes?

I feel like I've got the 1st flush nailed with shoeboxes, they're literally set and forget. However, subsequent flushes seem to be a crapshoot.

This latest run of 4 boxes, of which all gave me awesome 1st flushes, seems to be struggling with flush 2. They were all soaked for around 4h and then closed, nothing more. Because the surface is much more messy after the 1st harvest, I don't quite know what to look for and when to intervene with misting. Ideally I'd prefer not to mist at all, but is it even possible?

Should I try and go for longer soaks (12h or something like that)?

Growkit instructions tell you to dig holes in the surface with a fork before soaking - maybe that'd work here too? After all, the sub is kind of dry after the 1st flush. Maybe not growkit-dry, but still.

I'll keep experimenting, but I thought it'd make sense to ask first.


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Frrrunkis] * 1
    #27142309 - 01/11/21 04:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just dunk it and leave it alone, it’ll either flush or mold.

Usually you see pins within a week.


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: A.k.a]
    #27143243 - 01/12/21 06:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

How long do you dunk for?


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Frrrunkis]
    #27143245 - 01/12/21 06:46 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I dunk my cackes by filling the box half-way with water, then let the cake soak for a couple of minutes only, then pour out the water & put the lid back on. Then I leave it alone.

This seems to work as a trigger for a next flush.

I once only sprayed some fresh water onto the surface, without dunking at all. Worked also. :shrug:

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