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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Galendula] 1
#27061257 - 11/28/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sometimes it can take a day or two after full colonization for the droplets to appear naturally. Avoid the urge to mist. I stopped doing the top layer soak and just use fully hydrated coir like you did and i almost never have to mist before a first flush. Tamping down the edges really does help with side pins though.
Only if your myc looks thirsty should you mist, or if it's been like days after full colonization and you still don't see good surface conditions.
What spawn ratio did you use? I've gone as low as 1:2.5 spawn:sub but i usually stick around 1:1.5
It shouldn't be an issue but youll prob have to dub tub once they start coming in.
Idk much about oysters but the transkei looks good. Covering the sides won't really help, side pins come from sub conditions more than anything else, but if it's something you want to do I'd say do a liner in the tubs before spawning to serve that function and help with clean up. Personally i don't bother with either. Keeping them in the dark during colonization is another bit of bad info that gets circulated. Mine go straight onto the shelf with my big grow light. Newer boxes are lower down while fruiting boxes go on top closer to the light.
Keep an eye on them but honestly don't worry about it. Don't fan them, don't mist them unless they look thirsty (Browning or bluing myc), watch for trich. This info is for cubes btw idk how it translates to oysters lol.
Doing good though! Keep it up! Looking forward to that first harvest post
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Ballzagna]
#27065016 - 11/30/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whoa thank you so much @ballzagna i think this is the friendliest reply iv ever received on shroomery ππ
The oysters seem to love the shoebox and i can clearly see moisture beads now, also a lot of knotting i hope that means fruits are near (excited as a kid in the candy store)
Such a relief to hear the trankeis are looking okay, on agar they were so quick to grow but the grain was slow and now the coir i was starting to worry so thats a big relief. (Iv also got RW thats going well and golden teachers that just havent grown at all)
With coir i made up 2x 650g blocks (dry) and basically that spread out into four shoeboxes... at the time i couldnt find the right tek and just rushed it because iv been away a lot and eager to get something going. So i guess the ratio is almost 1 spawn to 4 coir (plus i did a layer on top) i realise now thats a looooot but at the time it seemed less would be too little and also my tubs are 10L so i think that went into my decisions. I also did not want to use more than one grain jar as they were my first and im expecting some will fail.
I love that idea of stacking newest at the bottom and moving up as they are closer to fruiting. Im about to do a second batch now so will definitely note that. Also thank you about the light myth, there is a lot of different info out there that gets confusing.
I have to also chill and remember these are my first boxes its not all going to be perfect but it will come with time and like shaperdreaming says, she started noting dunk times over the last 50 boxes or so... im a long ways away for now π
Cant wait to post a harvest pic π thank you again πππ
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Galendula]
#27065885 - 12/01/20 07:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think I remember reading that oysters are pretty vigorous but what do i know lol
Yeah the spawn/sub ratio is probably to blame for the long colonization time, that's a lot of coir for only one quart of spawn to colonize.
I've been getting the big 5kg bricks instead of the small ones, so I have to break, weigh, and measure my coir. Typically I find about 100-120g dry coir per shoebox. Water is easy, I just do about 5x the coir weight in water and try to err on the lower side, so for the 700g of coir I'd use anywhere from 3400-3500mL of water, assuming I spill a little and lose a little as steam so it'll be just under 5x
I think I've seen the 10L tubs before, they aren't too much larger than the regular 6qt ones I use. In the future I'd say do 1:2 spawn sub if you have tubs that size and are only doing one jar per tub, but you might need to experiment to find what your cultures like. If I had to guess, maybe 160-180g of dry coir per box? play with your ratio's a bit and find out how your coir likes to be hydrated. A benefit of the huge bricks is consistency for a few batches, as opposed to the poor quality control of the smaller bricks (at least the ones I used to get)
It's nice this site has a lot of legacy info but it can be challenging to sort through over 20 years of mushroom cultivation, especially since some things are exactly the same and others are extremely different lol.
Stick around for a bit longer, there are plenty of friendly folks around here
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Ballzagna]
#27076919 - 12/07/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know. It's now about 4 weeks since I spawned. I don't know if there is something to say about the condition from the pictures below. As far as I can tell it seems alright and I just need more patience. Anybody care to differ?
I intended the setup as set and forget but started misting and fanning twice a day about three days ago.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: funky123]
#27077236 - 12/07/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That doesn't look great. The myc shouldn't be all thick and marshmallow-ish like that. Also looks too wet. Four weeks not a good sign either.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: dfwerydfhg]
#27077376 - 12/07/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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dfwerydfhg said: That doesn't look great. The myc shouldn't be all thick and marshmallow-ish like that. Also looks too wet. Four weeks not a good sign either.
It might look too wet because I misted right before taking the pic. To me it seemed that the surface conditions were too dry for too long.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: funky123]
#27080115 - 12/09/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi! Is there a trick to achieving good surface conditions after dunking?
I've dunked my 3 boxes after first flush. All have been submerged for 3-4h. They all have new mushrooms, but only 1 has them all over the surface - the other 2 almost exclusively on the sides.
Why would there be such a difference and is there anything I can do to get more uniform 2nd flush?
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Frrrunkis]
#27080193 - 12/09/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Frrrunkis said: Hi! Is there a trick to achieving good surface conditions after dunking?
I've dunked my 3 boxes after first flush. All have been submerged for 3-4h. They all have new mushrooms, but only 1 has them all over the surface - the other 2 almost exclusively on the sides.
Why would there be such a difference and is there anything I can do to get more uniform 2nd flush?
This is something I've encountered as well and would love to know what others do.
First flush is always perfect, but since the second flush has pulled away from the sides a bit and the pseudo-casing is almost equally moist after dunking, I get more sidepins due to the micro climate on the sides + less even flushes overall.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Rhizomorph]
#27080310 - 12/09/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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improving your subs surface conditions will help with a better flush, and help keep side pins to a minimum. genetics play a part too so you cant always get a full canopy.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: kanemush]
#27080348 - 12/09/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Right, but how to improve them in the context of this tek?
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Frrrunkis]
#27080724 - 12/09/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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All you can do is stay on top of the surface conditions.
The sub has normally shrank enough that the sidepins arenβt even smashed anymore which is really the main downside to them.
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: A.k.a]
#27081595 - 12/10/20 05:22 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Should the surface be full of beads/pearls of moisture after dunking too? What if it's definitely wet (it has to be after hours under water, right?), but none of that lovely beady/pearly look anymore?
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Frrrunkis]
#27082443 - 12/10/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks to ShaperDreaming for the fantastic, beginner-friendly tek.
my first successful grow:
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Finally got first pins and just wanted to double check everything looks okay, these are transkie and more pins coming up every day now (a lot of side pins but that was expected oops)
Thanks and fingers crossed! π€ΈββοΈ
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Galendula]
#27084466 - 12/11/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The pins themselves look good, but the rest of the surface not so much.
Hopefully the dark spot in the top of the first picture is from water dripping. Did you put on a super thick top layer or anything like that?
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: A.k.a]
#27084768 - 12/11/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes pretty sure its water dripped when i opened the top up for the picture.
My coir to spawn ratio is waaaaay off so i have way more coir than needed. So slow to colonise and i guess thats whynits patchung. Cant see much sign of contam yet π€π€π€π€
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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: Galendula]
#27086342 - 12/12/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Followed this tek to the letter.
Spawned 1q oats colonized with Golden Teacher to a shoebox 11/25. After 17 days, harvested the first flush after all the largest fruits' veils broke.

Currently drying and will update with dry weight. UPDATE: 13.5g dry
Thank you for this tek!
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Edited by karri0n (12/13/20 12:36 PM)
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first shoebox, first grow ever actually. 12 days after spawning and its fully colonized. mycelium is taking over the casing now and primordia is showing. how do my surface conditions look to your trained eyes?
spawned 4 BRF cakes that were inoculated with Golden Teacher multiSpore
used a 1:1 ratio with coir/verm as the substrate in a 6qt shoe box


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Re: SFF Shoebox Assembly TEK [Re: karri0n]
#27086756 - 12/13/20 05:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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karri0n said: Followed this tek to the letter.
Spawned 1q oats colonized with Golden Teacher to a shoebox 11/25. After 17 days, harvested the first flush after all the largest fruits' veils broke.

Currently drying and will update with dry weight.
Thank you for this tek!
Nice work, brother! Make sure you take a clone to agar and/or a couple of prints.
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Quote:
DrunkMountainDude said: first shoebox, first grow ever actually. 12 days after spawning and its fully colonized. mycelium is taking over the casing now and primordia is showing. how do my surface conditions look to your trained eyes?
spawned 4 BRF cakes that were inoculated with Golden Teacher multiSpore
used a 1:1 ratio with coir/verm as the substrate in a 6qt shoe box



Other than looking a little dry (maybe), I think these look good. If you don't see pins a few days, a short (5 - 10 sec) mist might help.
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