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Making alkaline coffee
#26000975 - 05/19/19 05:41 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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So i love coffee
I also try to stay alkaline vs acidic and gave up coffee for a while due to its acid forming nature
I am thinking I want to just go back to drinking coffee but make it alkaline
Should I just grab some PH test strips to test its acidity?
I figure if I brew in some herbs like mullein with the coffee, use a decent coffee like Purroast low acid coffee, add honey, i can get the coffee to a decent alkaline level
What do you think?
Any suggestions for raising alkalinity of coffee? Maybe add cinnamon too, heard cardamom is good for that too https://www.jbbardot.com/add-this-one-alkaline-ingredient-to-your-next-cup-of-coffee-to-alkalize-it-and-mitigate-negative-effects/
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
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Ever tried a cold brewed coffee?
I believe it's less acidic?
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 2
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Sounds ridiculous. There's a whole alkalinity pseudoscience fad going around right now too. Humans are not made to drink alkaline things. Our stomach acid instantly neutralizes any alkaline beverage and feedback mechanisms will just make you produce more acid to counter it.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
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Can you explain why you believe this...?
What about our blood...?
Anyway, just made coffee with mullein and holy basil, added honey and cinnamon
Delicious
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 3
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our blood and body does everything it can every moment to keep your blood at 7.4 if it goes above that by even a small bit you'll go into a coma at best or die. We regulate pH by our CO2 concentration your body holds onto or releases more or less co2 to do this. before that would even need to happen your stomach would take care of what you drink. your stomach pH is close to 1 this corresponds to being 107 times as much acidity as neutral 10,000,000 times as many acid molecules aka hydronium ions. drinking something that's say pH of 9 (100x as much hydroxide ions as neutral) would change your stomach pH to around 1.5 if you could instantaneously drink a a half liter volume. even the little stomach acid would completely neutralize it and barely be effected and would also go back to normal nearly as fast as your body compensated for drinking something no human or mammal has ever had to endure for survival. but our bodies are pretty fantastic and even if you throw them a curve ball you sometimes can pull through.
also the TLDR more simple rationale is that there's 0 science arguing alkaline diet or alkaline water is good and there's only pseudoscience arguing for it. Find me credible anything relating to alkaline consumption
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
#26001026 - 05/19/19 06:41 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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maybe add baking soda, some people add a pinch of salt to cut bitterness, maybe baking soda isnt that far fetched
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
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Well the coffee goes in your stomach, you're not injecting it intravenously. If you check the science the things we eat don't effect our blood pH.
That brew sounds lush man, pour me a cup I'll be over in just a moment.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
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also the TLDR more simple rationale is that there's 0 science arguing alkaline diet or alkaline water is good and there's only pseudoscience arguing for it. Find me credible anything relating to alkaline consumption
when saying alkaline water they are usually refering to the dissolved minerals which is indeed good
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: gopher] 1
#26001048 - 05/19/19 07:07 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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no they're referring to that pH 8.8+ stuff
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
#26001079 - 05/19/19 07:41 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well idk I try to stay on the side of igesting alkaline
For instance soda pop and sugar are acidic but green juice is alkaline.
There seems to be a correlation as far as health, regardless of if it's just coincidence everything alkaline is far healthier than what's acidic
Same can be said with food
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
#26001084 - 05/19/19 07:43 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I usually only trust health advice from people who look and feel healthier than me, not to sound arrogant, that's pretty rare
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
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Also, anytime Northerner
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 2
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There seems to be a correlation as far as health, regardless of if it's just coincidence everything alkaline is far healthier than what's acidic
Same can be said with food

sugar isn't acidic or basic. it's neither.
can you give me some links to where you're getting these ideas from it might make it easier for me to get through to you how dumb this is if I can dismantle the information you think is credible.
lots of people look hot but are not healthy and lots of people on stupid fad diets also go to the gym and work out way harder than the average person and would be in shape regardless.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 3
#26001098 - 05/19/19 07:48 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alkalinity says nothing about pH in itself. It only refers to the buffer capacity of a solution. When applied to drinking water, regardless of the source, its alkalinity is always extremely limited. Basicity refers to a >7 pH and tap water tends to be in the range of 7.5-9. While values like 8.8 sound high, they really are not. The absolute number of OH- ions in a pH 8.8 solution is still in the nmol range. Its effect on the acidity of the stomach is virtually zero, even in large amounts, where the dilution of the stomach acid by the volume of the water ingested in fact plays a larger role than the basicity of the water. Beyond the stomach, there is evidently no effect of slightly basic (pH <10) drinks and foodstuffs, nor is there an effect of acidic drinks and foods. The stomach does a pretty good job in regulating its pH unless medication is used that alters this capacity (e.g. proton-pump inhibitors used by those who have a dysfunctional stomach-esophagus valve).
As to the pH of blood; blood is buffered essentially by a bicarbonate buffer that maintains blood pH at 7.35-7.45 regardless of diet or other exogenous factors. Hence, acidity or basicity of foodstuffs does not significantly influence blood pH and therefore, from a health perspective, there is no reason at all to consider such diets. They were introduced IIRC somewhere in the 1950s based on an incomplete understanding of the blood buffering system in relation to diet. Later studies have demonstrated beyond any credible doubt that these diets are not effective in what they purport to do (influence blood pH level).
Notable exceptions are: * High-acidity drinks such as soft drinks (but coffee is by far not acidic enough to constitute a credible risk) erode enamel and hence form a very real and widespread risk to dental health. * I can very well imagine that slightly basic coffee has a different flavor profile, particularly if basic water is used to brew it. As suggested above, sodium bicarbonate may be used to make water that is slightly basic for experimentation, but I wouldn't go overboard (keep pH < 9 or 10) in order to prevent the stomach from compensating ultimately resulting in complaints such as heartburn due to periodically overactive proton/H+ generation. * Some foodstuffs contain acids that are otherwise harmful if consumed in excess; for example, in this season, rhubarb is a popular food in some parts of the world. It contains oxalic acid, which is highly effective in breaking down calcium in the bones and thereby accelerating osteoporosis. Some suggest adding calcium carbonate to rhubarb to counter its harmful effect; while at first glance, this would make sense as the calcium carbonate would 'neutralize' the oxalic acid into oxalate. However, in the low-pH environment of the stomach this will instantly be reverted into oxalic acid and the only potential benefit of the approach is to be sought in the co-ingestion of the calcium. However, it's doubtful that that will effectively counter any bone-dissolving action of the oxalic acid, which has to do with the amount of calcium added and more importantly its bioavailability.
Long story short: if you want basic/>7pH coffee, do it because you want to do a flavor experiment, but don't expect an influence on blood pH or general wellbeing. Any effect in that direction would be psychosomatic/placebo (which in itself may be enough of a reason for some; YMMV).
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Enkidu said: For instance soda pop and sugar are acidic but green juice is alkaline.
Sugar is not acidic in itself. Green juice: depends on how you define it, but if you are talking about juice from green-leaf plants and vegetables: they are almost certainly all slightly to moderately acidic.
If you are interested in this, I'd suggest picking up a $20 pH meter on Aliexpress or whatever and run some experiments on your drinks of choice. Also do some reading on how the pH scale works in order to get a feel for magnitudes etc. If you get that down, look into how buffer systems (chemistry) work and why the whole 'alkaline diet' thing can quite easily be recognized as bogus.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: koraks]
#26001102 - 05/19/19 07:51 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would be curious to see how long an alkaline beverage stays that way anyway. CO2 from the air will dissolve and render it neutral in short order would be my guess.
weak solutions of sodium hydroxide get neutralized by air and those are far more alkaline than any alkaline water for drinking
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
#26001112 - 05/19/19 07:55 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well my diet consists of mainly things labeled alkaline
And I'm heeltheir than the last majority of people, especially those fosuming things considered acidic...
So I trust what I'm doing as I can see the effect
I'm 28 and people literally think I'm 19-21 range
That's more than genetics
It's lifestyle 
Like I said, maybe it's coincidence everything healthy is alkaline
I'm not interested in debating or proving or changing anyone's opinion, live how you live
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
#26001116 - 05/19/19 07:59 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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what are you eating that is alkaline?
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
#26001120 - 05/19/19 08:01 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fruits and vegetables
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 1
#26001125 - 05/19/19 08:04 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can't think of any alkaline fruits. and almost every veggie I can think of is not alkaline
got examples?
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
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Yeah there's tons of lists online, it's fasts easy.
Did you read where i said I didn't want to argue or convince people of anything ?
Idk what you're deal is bod
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#26001129 - 05/19/19 08:08 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Because those lists are bullshit and I wanted you to pick something off that list that isn't basic so I could tell you that the way they made those lists is by burning food and seeing if the residue it left was acid or basic. Lemons leave a base residue if burnt and appear on some of those lists. Grapes and watermelon appear on those lists. foods that are not alkaline at all.
I couldn't find one list of alkaline foods that wasn't bullshit
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 1
#26001131 - 05/19/19 08:08 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I would be curious to see how long an alkaline beverage stays that way anyway. CO2 from the air will dissolve and render it neutral in short order would be my guess.
weak solutions of sodium hydroxide get neutralized by air and those are far more alkaline than any alkaline water for drinking
Well, that would depend not only on the pH of the beverage but also its alkalinity (buffer capacity), and that in turn depends on where the basicity comes from. If it's from NaOH or KOH, its buffer capacity will be very low. If also the initial pH is above the pKa of sodium or potassium carbonate (whichever the OH came from), the pH will drift towards the pKa of Na2CO3 (10.33 or so) resp. K2CO3 (10.25 or thereabouts). If the initial pH is below these values, the pH will drift further downward towards the pKa of carbonic acid which is in the vicinity of 5.5 IIRC - but it will never quite get there due to the presence of the sodium and/or potassium which will maintain their buffering capacity (alkalinity).
Keep in mind that all this may take quite some time due to the low availability of CO2 and the rate at which it is absorbed by the solution. In case of making coffee, a cup of coffee of let's say pH 8.0 will have become too cold to drink much sooner than it will turn acidic...Quote:
Enkidu said: Well my diet consists of mainly things labeled alkaline
And I'm heeltheir than the last majority of people, especially those fosuming things considered acidic...
So I trust what I'm doing as I can see the effect
I'm 28 and people literally think I'm 19-21 range
That's more than genetics
It's lifestyle 
Lifestyle is a million factors, dietary choices constitute a portion of those. And that is apart from genetics that you've shoved aside quite quickly. Believe whatever you want to believe; I don't have to convince you of the impossibility of linking your 'alkaline' diet to your health (whichever aspect(s) of it you're referring to). Any person capable of logical thought will understand that it's impossible to determine that relationship based on your own case. Add to that the existing, validated knowledge that alkaline diets don't really do anything and any critical thinker can make their own choices. If you're happy with your diet, then by all means keep enjoying it.
I'm all ears about the basic/>pH7 'alkaline' coffee btw - like I said, because of the flavor thing. We'll have to agree to disagree on the health aspect and call that discussion a day as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: koraks]
#26001133 - 05/19/19 08:11 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know health is a multitude of factors ajd diet is one amd lifestyle impacts genetic expression
I already mentioned it could be correlation all healthy foods are alkaline
Geez guys ... Why do you get so hent out of shape over nothing
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 2
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I'm not "bent out of shape" I'm just genuinely curious how people fall into these traps. I want to see what you think is compelling IE what compelled you to come to this belief. I want you to trip up and see for yourself that these lists of alkaline foods are bullshit because maybe you didn't know how those lists were derived. I kind of want you to list off some alkaline foods that you think you're eating that are probably not alkaline. wouldn't you rather know that you're living on a foundation of lies or you like to put your fingers in your ears and go nah nah nah ?
as for coffee taste alkaline goes hand in hand with bitterness and soap taste.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
#26001142 - 05/19/19 08:16 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're right I didn't but it would take some time for me to gather everything and i habe kt little hro and sis right now so it's a waste of time bro
It's years worth of readijg things here ajd there ajd seeing info etc etc hlahhlahhlah
Maybe it's all bullshit but seems a correlation between health and aidic ajd I've heard our bodies leach minerals from.hojes to correct ph of bodies ajd correlation between aidif dairy consumption ajd osteoperosis ajd I'm on ky broke phone it's hard to type
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you cannot change your body's pH with food or drink no matter how much of super acidic or super basic you consume. This is why people who have drank soda their whole life only have to worry about diabetes not osteoporosis
I don't believe many of these spices would be alkaline. again they find out if these foods are alkaline producing by burning them and seeing what kind of residue is left over. which is a method that somehow makes grapes and lemons alkaline foods
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
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I thought it had to do with how our bodies metabolize them
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#26001159 - 05/19/19 08:30 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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according to people who want to sell you something rather than real doctors yes.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
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Lol I hear that from lots of sources that aren't trying to sell me anything man
What do they have to gain by telling me to eat fruits ajd vegetables ajd just and seeds ajd drink water and tea )/)?
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
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The guy who invented the science behind this alkaline trend died in 1878. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Bernard
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The role of the diet and its influence on the acidity of urine has been studied for decades, as physiologists have studied the kidney's role in the body's regulatory mechanisms for controlling the acidity of body fluids.
The French biologist Claude Bernard provided the classical observation of this effect when he found that changing the diet of rabbits from an herbivore (mainly plant) diet to a carnivore (mainly meat) diet changed the urine from more alkaline to more acid. Spurred by these observations, subsequent investigations focused on the chemical properties and acidity of constituents of the remains of foods combusted in a bomb calorimeter, described as ash. The "dietary ash hypothesis" proposed that these foods, when metabolized, would leave a similar "acid ash" or "alkaline ash" in the body as those oxidized in combustion
based on false reasoning that urine pH correlates to food pH and that the burnt constituents of food have anything to do with anything. because he assumed that inside our body food was processed the same way as burning it.
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Other investigations showed specific foods, such as cranberries, prunes and plums had unusual effects on urine pH. While these foods provided an alkaline ash in the laboratory, they contain a weak organic acid, hippuric acid, which caused the urine to become more acidic instead
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said: Lol I hear that from lots of sources that aren't trying to sell me anything man
What do they have to gain by telling me to eat fruits ajd vegetables ajd just and seeds ajd drink water and tea )/)?
Stock in the farming industry))?
no books, ph meters, meal planning, manufactured snacks, or if you don't buy any of that at least spreading the word to gullible people who will buy that stuff.
just look up ph test strips on amazon.com for me real quick and tell me that fad hasn't influenced the types of available ph measuring devices. You can't even find scientific ones until you scroll past all the alkaline diet keto bullshit ones.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
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I mean yeah that's true but easy to idetify ajd not everyone is pushing something
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
#26001329 - 05/19/19 10:57 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey if you don't like apples, oranges, grapefruit, spinach, sauerkraut, kimchi etc etc it's all fine by me.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: koraks]
#26001342 - 05/19/19 11:07 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just about every plant we eat is acidic. (pH below 7.)
Meats, fish and dairy products are some of the highest pH foods we eat. They are still all under 8. Here a list of food pH values.(from the fda, about canning and preserving. I'd imagine their science is better than your unnamed internet sources) https://www.pickyourown.org/ph_of_fruits_and_vegetables_list.htm
Same list, PDF from ucdavis.edu. In original fda format. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://ucfoodsafety.ucdavis.edu/files/266402.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjr94PriKjiAhUId98KHbn1AtkQFjABegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2VCVn92zS_EihT_sJRxqOf
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: gopher]
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Just because there's kratom politics doesn't mean the top scientists can't figure out how to measure pH of foods
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: our blood and body does everything it can every moment to keep your blood at 7.4 if it goes above that by even a small bit you'll go into a coma at best or die. We regulate pH by our CO2 concentration your body holds onto or releases more or less co2 to do this. before that would even need to happen your stomach would take care of what you drink. your stomach pH is close to 1 this corresponds to being 107 times as much acidity as neutral 10,000,000 times as many acid molecules aka hydronium ions. drinking something that's say pH of 9 (100x as much hydroxide ions as neutral) would change your stomach pH to around 1.5 if you could instantaneously drink a a half liter volume. even the little stomach acid would completely neutralize it and barely be effected and would also go back to normal nearly as fast as your body compensated for drinking something no human or mammal has ever had to endure for survival. but our bodies are pretty fantastic and even if you throw them a curve ball you sometimes can pull through.
also the TLDR more simple rationale is that there's 0 science arguing alkaline diet or alkaline water is good and there's only pseudoscience arguing for it. Find me credible anything relating to alkaline consumption
I look up to you a lot and read a lot of your growing teks and posts, thanks for putting those out there for us.
That being said, there is new science coming out through Wim Hofs work that shows the blood pH can indeed fluctuate depending on oxygen or co2 concentrations, and this is a function of survival controlled by breathing.
Just figured you would be interested in learning about the new new of hard science on that specific topic.
If youre interested in having a mild dmt trip using just breathing, definitely try out his breathing techniques.
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I've heard of wim hof plenty. Lots of people can climb those mountains speed climbing in the warm seasons in shorts and tshirts with some practice.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: I've heard of wim hof plenty. Lots of people can climb those mountains speed climbing in the warm seasons in shorts and tshirts with some practice.
No doubt lol.
Im referring to the stuff hes done in the lab.
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I threw the alkaline batteries through the blender with the beans. Tastes like shit. THANKS OP
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: ichugwindex] 2
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Sorry guys
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foragedfungus said: Just about every plant we eat is acidic. (pH below 7.)
Meats, fish and dairy products are some of the highest pH foods we eat. They are still all under 8. Here a list of food pH values.(from the fda, about canning and preserving. I'd imagine their science is better than your unnamed internet sources) https://www.pickyourown.org/ph_of_fruits_and_vegetables_list.htm
Same list, PDF from ucdavis.edu. In original fda format. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://ucfoodsafety.ucdavis.edu/files/266402.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjr94PriKjiAhUId98KHbn1AtkQFjABegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2VCVn92zS_EihT_sJRxqOf
Peanut Soup 7.5
Damn where can I get me some of that ALKALINE goodness
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: twighead]
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Yeah I mean look at the references..
Kind of outdated link...
1962, 1939... the canned ones are 20 yeras old, guess thats better?
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
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Ive always drank >8 cups of cofee per day, if i felt some acidity on the stomach. I do breathing excercise to balance out the ph. Our body is good at balancing itself.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said: Yeah I mean look at the references..
Kind of outdated link...
1962, 1939... the canned ones are 20 yeras old, guess thats better?

Yeah, references from 80 years ago, and thirty years after that, and twenty years after that. All coming up with the same numbers because: peer reviewed science.
Your source is a blog post, that can only reference other blog posts. And they're all trying to sell you something.
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My source)? I haven't provided any source because im not making an argument dumbass
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
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Are you fucking retarded?
The link is in reference to making coffee alkaline and has nothing to do with arguing over whether alkaline vs acid food blah blah blah or any of the bullshit this thread was made into
Pay attention to the purpose of the thread.
Youre a dumbass
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
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he knows it's bullshit, but wants to believe it anyway
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
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No flaming, And to be fair your article about coffee is more about "alkalizing" which children can tell is pseudoscience
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
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Wow, straight to the name calling. classy
Tell me again how this isn't a discussion about your misconceptions concerning alkaline and acidic foodblah blah blah?
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Enkidu said: I also try to stay alkaline vs acidic and gave up coffee for a while due to its acid forming nature
I am thinking I want to just go back to drinking coffee but make it alkaline Well idk I try to stay on the side of igesting alkaline
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Enkidu also said: For instance soda pop and sugar are acidic but green juice is alkaline.
There seems to be a correlation as far as health, regardless of if it's just coincidence everything alkaline is far healthier than what's acidic
Same can be said with food
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Then Enkidu said: Well my diet consists of mainly things labeled alkaline
And I'm heeltheir than the last majority of people, especially those fosuming things considered acidic...
So I trust what I'm doing as I can see the effect
I'm 28 and people literally think I'm 19-21 range
That's more than genetics
It's lifestyle 
Like I said, maybe it's coincidence everything healthy is alkaline
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Enkidu went on to say: I already mentioned it could be correlation all healthy foods are alkaline
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Because people want to derail the thread and get off topic
This is why I can't stand the pub
You can't post without people trying to force you into a debate and argument
My alkaline coffee is superb
Sorry for calling you names it's just annoying that I can't post so ethijg without being attacked and ridiculed
Let me drink my alkaline coffee in peace
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
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All those quotes we're replies to getting off topic and having to defend something I didn't want to discuss
It doesn't always have to be an argument and debate about every single thing
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
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Ok well cardamom isn't alkaline and if you're reading something that says it is you know you're reading crap.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
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I'll be starting up my "alkaline coffee" shop soon if you guys are interested
Help reduce all that acid in your body
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
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I bet coffee with cardamon and spices is delicious. But it's still acidic (ph<7). and you are still being ignorant.
Go get a pH meter. Then make your coffee alkaline (by definition, pH over 7). I don't know how, maybe add some borax? Come back and tell us all how it tastes.
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You're going to have to use soap or a hydroxide to make alkaline coffee
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
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Ok, my coffee is less acidic and closer to alkaline
That's the goal
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: Ok well cardamom isn't alkaline and if you're reading something that says it is you know you're reading crap.
You always want to be the logical dude and prove everyone wrong semi-assholishly - but you never really use that logic to try and provide any useful information in these debates, or help clarify what they may actually be trying to communicate. 
So we actually have something of value in this conversation, here's a research-backed journal on why the combination of cardamom and coffee is more beneficial than the later without the presence of the former. Of course, it's not as simple as 'alkalinity' or necessarily related to as such, but it's still a thang.
https://doi.org/10.1080/19476337.2016.1247298
Just to pull some of the quicker reads from it:
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Evaluation of interactions between coffee and cardamom, their type, and strength in relation to interactions in a model system
ABSTRACT
This paper presents a study on determination of antiradical potential, ferric-reducing antioxidant power (FRAP), chelating power (CHEL), OH∙ scavenging capacity (OH), superoxide dismutase-like activity, lipoxygenase (LOXi), and xanthine oxidase (XOi) inhibitory potential and also interactions between the phytochemicals from coffee and cardamom based on their bioaccessibility in vitro. Evaluation of interactions between coffee and cardamom in a model system showed that phenolic compounds may be responsible for the analyzed activity of the tested extracts. It was observed for FRAP, CHEL, and XOi that raw and digested extracts showed the same interactions as chemical standards. However, the LOX inhibitors present in raw extracts acted synergistically like chemical standards, but due to the changes during the simulated digestion process the kind of interaction between active compounds changed. Correlation between tested extracts and model system, despite the high bioaccessibility of the compounds with this capacity, was not only found for OH∙ radical neutralization.
Conclusion
In conclusion, our findings have shown that coffee and cardamom provide an excellent source of potentially bioaccessible compounds (especially those from hydroxycinnamic acids family) with multidirectional antioxidant activity. Particular attention should be paid to the results concerning the analysis of the interaction between the phenolic compounds contained in the coffee and cardamom raw and digested extracts compared to pure chemical standards (chlorogenic and vanillic acid), within the antioxidant and anti-inflammatory activities. It was observed in case of FRAP, CHEL, and XOi, where raw and digested extract showed the same kind on interactions as pure chemical standards. For antiradical capacity (ABTS) and SOD-like activity for digested extracts of coffee and cardamom, the kind of interaction was the same as in the model system. However, LOX inhibitors present in raw extracts acted synergistically like chemical standards, but the changes occurring during simulated digestion process affected on the kind of interaction between active compounds. Only for OH∙ radical neutralization there is no correlation between tested extracts and model system, though the high bioaccessibility of compound was seen with this capacity. The sensory characteristics linking results showed that addition of 0.5% of cardamom gives satisfactory overall consumer acceptability. To conclude, cardamom is an aromatic additive that could affect not only the flavor and aroma of coffee, but also its biological activities. Moreover, main phenolic compounds identified in tested material in most cases showed the same kind of interaction as tested (raw and/or digested) samples. Therefore, these phenolic compounds possessed a very high effect on the kind of interaction observed between tested samples.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: twighead]
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Instead of the suggested borax, soap and hydroxide, I'd stick with sodium bicarbonate or as a last resort even sodium carbonate (washing soda). Only a very small amount would be needed to lift the pH above 7. I also second the suggestion to obtain a pH meter instead of just winging it.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: koraks]
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did somebody say borax? try adding a very very small amount, dont quote me on this but I think its a 16th of a teaspoon, the boron will increase testosterone and help mobilize calcium in the body
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Regularly adding borax to one's diet doesn't sound like something that should be done without some deeper research into both the potential positive and negative effects. 1/16 tsp would be something like 0.2g of borax, which translates to about 40mg of boric acid. While this is still well below the limits at which significant health issues have been demonstrated in animal studies, it is conceivable that there are negative side effects of a more subtle nature. I'd personally be somewhat hesitant to add it to my coffee, and I'm not particularly squeamish about foods.
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