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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #26001129 - 05/19/19 08:08 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Because those lists are bullshit and I wanted you to pick something off that list that isn't basic so I could tell you that the way they made those lists is by burning food and seeing if the residue it left was acid or basic. Lemons leave a base residue if burnt and appear on some of those lists. Grapes and watermelon appear on those lists. foods that are not alkaline at all.

I couldn't find one list of alkaline foods that wasn't bullshit :shrug:


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #26001131 - 05/19/19 08:08 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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I would be curious to see how long an alkaline beverage stays that way anyway. CO2 from the air will dissolve and render it neutral in short order would be my guess.

weak solutions of sodium hydroxide get neutralized by air and those are far more alkaline than any alkaline water for drinking



Well, that would depend not only on the pH of the beverage but also its alkalinity (buffer capacity), and that in turn depends on where the basicity comes from. If it's from NaOH or KOH, its buffer capacity will be very low. If also the initial pH is above the pKa of sodium or potassium carbonate (whichever the OH came from), the pH will drift towards the pKa of Na2CO3 (10.33 or so) resp. K2CO3 (10.25 or thereabouts). If the initial pH is below these values, the pH will drift further downward towards the pKa of carbonic acid which is in the vicinity of 5.5 IIRC - but it will never quite get there due to the presence of the sodium and/or potassium which will maintain their buffering capacity (alkalinity).

Keep in mind that all this may take quite some time due to the low availability of CO2 and the rate at which it is absorbed by the solution. In case of making coffee, a cup of coffee of let's say pH 8.0 will have become too cold to drink much sooner than it will turn acidic...
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Well my diet consists of mainly things labeled alkaline

And I'm heeltheir than the last majority of people, especially those fosuming things considered acidic...

So I trust what I'm doing as I can see the effect

I'm 28 and people literally think I'm 19-21 range

That's more than genetics

It's lifestyle :shrug:




Lifestyle is a million factors, dietary choices constitute a portion of those. And that is apart from genetics that you've shoved aside quite quickly.
Believe whatever you want to believe; I don't have to convince you of the impossibility of linking your 'alkaline' diet to your health (whichever aspect(s) of it you're referring to). Any person capable of logical thought will understand that it's impossible to determine that relationship based on your own case. Add to that the existing, validated knowledge that alkaline diets don't really do anything and any critical thinker can make their own choices. If you're happy with your diet, then by all means keep enjoying it.

I'm all ears about the basic/>pH7 'alkaline' coffee btw - like I said, because of the flavor thing. We'll have to agree to disagree on the health aspect and call that discussion a day as far as I'm concerned.


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: koraks]
    #26001133 - 05/19/19 08:11 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I know health is a multitude of factors ajd diet is one amd lifestyle impacts genetic expression

I already mentioned it could be correlation all healthy foods are alkaline

Geez guys ... Why do you get so hent out of shape over nothing


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] * 2
    #26001135 - 05/19/19 08:11 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not "bent out of shape" I'm just genuinely curious how people fall into these traps. I want to see what you think is compelling IE what compelled you to come to this belief. I want you to trip up and see for yourself that these lists of alkaline foods are bullshit because maybe you didn't know how those lists were derived. I kind of want you to list off some alkaline foods that you think you're eating that are probably not alkaline. wouldn't you rather know that you're living on a foundation of lies or you like to put your fingers in your ears and go nah nah nah ?

as for coffee taste alkaline goes hand in hand with bitterness and soap taste.


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26001142 - 05/19/19 08:16 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

You're right I didn't but it would take some time for me to gather everything and i habe kt little hro and sis right now so it's a waste of time bro

It's years worth of readijg things here ajd there ajd seeing info etc etc hlahhlahhlah

Maybe it's all bullshit but seems a correlation between health and aidic ajd I've heard our bodies leach minerals from.hojes to correct ph of bodies ajd correlation between aidif dairy consumption ajd osteoperosis ajd I'm on ky broke phone it's hard to type


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #26001146 - 05/19/19 08:21 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

you cannot change your body's pH with food or drink no matter how much of super acidic or super basic you consume. This is why people who have drank soda their whole life only have to worry about diabetes not osteoporosis

I don't believe many of these spices would be alkaline. again they find out if these foods are alkaline producing by burning them and seeing what kind of residue is left over. which is a method that somehow makes grapes and lemons alkaline foods :crazy:


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26001150 - 05/19/19 08:25 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I thought it had to do with how our bodies metabolize them


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #26001159 - 05/19/19 08:30 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

according to people who want to sell you something rather than real doctors yes.


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26001165 - 05/19/19 08:33 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Lol I hear that from lots of sources that aren't trying to sell me anything man

What do they have to gain by telling me to eat fruits ajd vegetables ajd just and seeds ajd drink water and tea )/)?

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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26001172 - 05/19/19 08:36 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

The guy who invented the science behind this alkaline trend died in 1878.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Bernard

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The role of the diet and its influence on the acidity of urine has been studied for decades, as physiologists have studied the kidney's role in the body's regulatory mechanisms for controlling the acidity of body fluids.

The French biologist Claude Bernard provided the classical observation of this effect when he found that changing the diet of rabbits from an herbivore (mainly plant) diet to a carnivore (mainly meat) diet changed the urine from more alkaline to more acid. Spurred by these observations, subsequent investigations focused on the chemical properties and acidity of constituents of the remains of foods combusted in a bomb calorimeter, described as ash. The "dietary ash hypothesis" proposed that these foods, when metabolized, would leave a similar "acid ash" or "alkaline ash" in the body as those oxidized in combustion




based on false reasoning that urine pH correlates to food pH and that the burnt constituents of food have anything to do with anything. because he assumed that inside our body food was processed the same way as burning it.

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Other investigations showed specific foods, such as cranberries, prunes and plums had unusual effects on urine pH. While these foods provided an alkaline ash in the laboratory, they contain a weak organic acid, hippuric acid, which caused the urine to become more acidic instead




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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
    #26001175 - 05/19/19 08:38 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Lol I hear that from lots of sources that aren't trying to sell me anything man

What do they have to gain by telling me to eat fruits ajd vegetables ajd just and seeds ajd drink water and tea )/)?

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no books, ph meters, meal planning, manufactured snacks,
or if you don't buy any of that at least spreading the word to gullible people who will buy that stuff.

just look up ph test strips on amazon.com for me real quick and tell me that fad hasn't influenced the types of available ph measuring devices. You can't even find scientific ones until you scroll past all the alkaline diet keto bullshit ones.


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26001182 - 05/19/19 08:42 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I mean yeah that's true but easy to idetify ajd not everyone is pushing something


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
    #26001329 - 05/19/19 10:57 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Hey if you don't like apples, oranges, grapefruit, spinach, sauerkraut, kimchi etc etc it's all fine by me.


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: koraks]
    #26001342 - 05/19/19 11:07 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Just about every plant we eat is acidic. (pH below 7.)

Meats, fish and dairy products are some of the highest pH foods we eat. They are still all under 8.

Here a list  of food pH values.(from the fda, about canning and preserving. I'd imagine their science is better than your unnamed internet sources)
https://www.pickyourown.org/ph_of_fruits_and_vegetables_list.htm

Same list, PDF from ucdavis.edu. In original fda format.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://ucfoodsafety.ucdavis.edu/files/266402.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjr94PriKjiAhUId98KHbn1AtkQFjABegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2VCVn92zS_EihT_sJRxqOf


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: foragedfungus]
    #26001360 - 05/19/19 11:18 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

the fda isnt the most trustworthy source, the think kratom will kill you


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: gopher]
    #26001384 - 05/19/19 11:35 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Just because there's kratom politics doesn't mean the top scientists can't figure out how to measure pH of foods :facepalm:


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26001593 - 05/19/19 01:17 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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our blood and body does everything it can every moment to keep your blood at 7.4 if it goes above that by even a small bit you'll go into a coma at best or die. We regulate pH by our CO2 concentration your body holds onto or releases more or less co2 to do this. before that would even need to happen your stomach would take care of what you drink. your stomach pH is close to 1 this corresponds to being 107 times as much acidity as neutral 10,000,000 times as many acid molecules aka hydronium ions. drinking something that's say pH of 9 (100x as much hydroxide ions as neutral) would change your stomach pH to around 1.5 if you could instantaneously drink a a half liter volume. even the little stomach acid would completely neutralize it and barely be effected and would also go back to normal nearly as fast as your body compensated for drinking something no human or mammal has ever had to endure for survival. but our bodies are pretty fantastic and even if you throw them a curve ball you sometimes can pull through.

also the TLDR more simple rationale is that there's 0 science arguing alkaline diet or alkaline water is good and there's only pseudoscience arguing for it. Find me credible anything relating to alkaline consumption





I look up to you a lot and read a lot of your growing teks and posts, thanks for putting those out there for us. 

That being said, there is new science coming out through Wim Hofs work that shows the blood pH can indeed fluctuate depending on oxygen or co2 concentrations, and this is a function of survival controlled by breathing.

Just figured you would be interested in learning about the new new of hard science on that specific topic.

If youre interested in having a mild dmt trip using just breathing, definitely try out his breathing techniques.


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
    #26001726 - 05/19/19 02:38 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I've heard of wim hof plenty. Lots of people can climb those mountains speed climbing in the warm seasons in shorts and tshirts with some practice.


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26002316 - 05/19/19 08:16 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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I've heard of wim hof plenty. Lots of people can climb those mountains speed climbing in the warm seasons in shorts and tshirts with some practice.





No doubt lol.

Im referring to the stuff hes done in the lab.


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biting into a juicy delicious piece of fruit while tripping balls is probably up there in my greatest life experiences.:lsdabc:


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I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own.

Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful. - Buddha


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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: FatChicksNcoke]
    #26002321 - 05/19/19 08:17 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I threw the alkaline batteries through the blender with the beans. Tastes like shit.
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