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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 2
#26001001 - 05/19/19 06:18 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds ridiculous. There's a whole alkalinity pseudoscience fad going around right now too. Humans are not made to drink alkaline things. Our stomach acid instantly neutralizes any alkaline beverage and feedback mechanisms will just make you produce more acid to counter it.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 3
#26001022 - 05/19/19 06:40 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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our blood and body does everything it can every moment to keep your blood at 7.4 if it goes above that by even a small bit you'll go into a coma at best or die. We regulate pH by our CO2 concentration your body holds onto or releases more or less co2 to do this. before that would even need to happen your stomach would take care of what you drink. your stomach pH is close to 1 this corresponds to being 107 times as much acidity as neutral 10,000,000 times as many acid molecules aka hydronium ions. drinking something that's say pH of 9 (100x as much hydroxide ions as neutral) would change your stomach pH to around 1.5 if you could instantaneously drink a a half liter volume. even the little stomach acid would completely neutralize it and barely be effected and would also go back to normal nearly as fast as your body compensated for drinking something no human or mammal has ever had to endure for survival. but our bodies are pretty fantastic and even if you throw them a curve ball you sometimes can pull through.
also the TLDR more simple rationale is that there's 0 science arguing alkaline diet or alkaline water is good and there's only pseudoscience arguing for it. Find me credible anything relating to alkaline consumption
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: gopher] 1
#26001048 - 05/19/19 07:07 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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no they're referring to that pH 8.8+ stuff
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 2
#26001093 - 05/19/19 07:47 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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There seems to be a correlation as far as health, regardless of if it's just coincidence everything alkaline is far healthier than what's acidic
Same can be said with food

sugar isn't acidic or basic. it's neither.
can you give me some links to where you're getting these ideas from it might make it easier for me to get through to you how dumb this is if I can dismantle the information you think is credible.
lots of people look hot but are not healthy and lots of people on stupid fad diets also go to the gym and work out way harder than the average person and would be in shape regardless.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: koraks]
#26001102 - 05/19/19 07:51 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would be curious to see how long an alkaline beverage stays that way anyway. CO2 from the air will dissolve and render it neutral in short order would be my guess.
weak solutions of sodium hydroxide get neutralized by air and those are far more alkaline than any alkaline water for drinking
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
#26001116 - 05/19/19 07:59 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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what are you eating that is alkaline?
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 1
#26001125 - 05/19/19 08:04 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can't think of any alkaline fruits. and almost every veggie I can think of is not alkaline
got examples?
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 1
#26001129 - 05/19/19 08:08 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Because those lists are bullshit and I wanted you to pick something off that list that isn't basic so I could tell you that the way they made those lists is by burning food and seeing if the residue it left was acid or basic. Lemons leave a base residue if burnt and appear on some of those lists. Grapes and watermelon appear on those lists. foods that are not alkaline at all.
I couldn't find one list of alkaline foods that wasn't bullshit
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 2
#26001135 - 05/19/19 08:11 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm not "bent out of shape" I'm just genuinely curious how people fall into these traps. I want to see what you think is compelling IE what compelled you to come to this belief. I want you to trip up and see for yourself that these lists of alkaline foods are bullshit because maybe you didn't know how those lists were derived. I kind of want you to list off some alkaline foods that you think you're eating that are probably not alkaline. wouldn't you rather know that you're living on a foundation of lies or you like to put your fingers in your ears and go nah nah nah ?
as for coffee taste alkaline goes hand in hand with bitterness and soap taste.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 1
#26001146 - 05/19/19 08:21 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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you cannot change your body's pH with food or drink no matter how much of super acidic or super basic you consume. This is why people who have drank soda their whole life only have to worry about diabetes not osteoporosis
I don't believe many of these spices would be alkaline. again they find out if these foods are alkaline producing by burning them and seeing what kind of residue is left over. which is a method that somehow makes grapes and lemons alkaline foods
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu] 1
#26001159 - 05/19/19 08:30 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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according to people who want to sell you something rather than real doctors yes.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: bodhisatta]
#26001172 - 05/19/19 08:36 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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The guy who invented the science behind this alkaline trend died in 1878. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Bernard
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The role of the diet and its influence on the acidity of urine has been studied for decades, as physiologists have studied the kidney's role in the body's regulatory mechanisms for controlling the acidity of body fluids.
The French biologist Claude Bernard provided the classical observation of this effect when he found that changing the diet of rabbits from an herbivore (mainly plant) diet to a carnivore (mainly meat) diet changed the urine from more alkaline to more acid. Spurred by these observations, subsequent investigations focused on the chemical properties and acidity of constituents of the remains of foods combusted in a bomb calorimeter, described as ash. The "dietary ash hypothesis" proposed that these foods, when metabolized, would leave a similar "acid ash" or "alkaline ash" in the body as those oxidized in combustion
based on false reasoning that urine pH correlates to food pH and that the burnt constituents of food have anything to do with anything. because he assumed that inside our body food was processed the same way as burning it.
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Other investigations showed specific foods, such as cranberries, prunes and plums had unusual effects on urine pH. While these foods provided an alkaline ash in the laboratory, they contain a weak organic acid, hippuric acid, which caused the urine to become more acidic instead
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
#26001175 - 05/19/19 08:38 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Lol I hear that from lots of sources that aren't trying to sell me anything man
What do they have to gain by telling me to eat fruits ajd vegetables ajd just and seeds ajd drink water and tea )/)?
Stock in the farming industry))?
no books, ph meters, meal planning, manufactured snacks, or if you don't buy any of that at least spreading the word to gullible people who will buy that stuff.
just look up ph test strips on amazon.com for me real quick and tell me that fad hasn't influenced the types of available ph measuring devices. You can't even find scientific ones until you scroll past all the alkaline diet keto bullshit ones.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: gopher]
#26001384 - 05/19/19 11:35 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just because there's kratom politics doesn't mean the top scientists can't figure out how to measure pH of foods
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I've heard of wim hof plenty. Lots of people can climb those mountains speed climbing in the warm seasons in shorts and tshirts with some practice.
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
#26002993 - 05/20/19 08:59 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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No flaming, And to be fair your article about coffee is more about "alkalizing" which children can tell is pseudoscience
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Re: Making alkaline coffee [Re: Enkidu]
#26005495 - 05/21/19 12:46 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok well cardamom isn't alkaline and if you're reading something that says it is you know you're reading crap.
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You're going to have to use soap or a hydroxide to make alkaline coffee
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