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OfflineBaby_Hitler
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Manditory drug testing for all Americans.
    #2600044 - 04/25/04 05:01 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.mapinc.org/norml/v04/n606/a09.htm?134

Imagine if it was against the law to drive home after consuming a single glass of wine at dinner. Now imagine it was against the law to do so after having consumed a single glass of wine two weeks ago.

Sound absurd? No more so than newly proposed Congressional legislation by Ohio Rep. Rob Portman mandating that each state enact laws sanctioning anyone who operates a motor vehicle "while any detectable amount of a controlled substance is present in the person's body, as measured in the person's blood, urine, saliva, or other bodily substance."

While the expressed purpose of this legislation, the "Drug Impaired Driving Enforcement Act of 2004," is to target and remove drug-impaired drivers from our nation's roadways, the reality is that this poorly worded proposal would do little to improve public safety. Rather, it would falsely categorize sober drivers as "intoxicated" simply if they had consumed an illicit substance, particularly marijuana, some days or weeks earlier.

A case in point. John and Jane Doe attend a party. John enjoys a glass of wine while Jane takes a puff from a marijuana cigarette. The next day, John and Jane are pulled over. John is given a breathalyzer test and tests negative for alcohol. Jane is asked to submit to a urine test and tests positive for marijuana. Jane is then arrested for "driving under the influence of drugs," despite the fact that any impairment she experienced from smoking marijuana would have worn off hours earlier.

That's because Portman's proposal, so-called "zero tolerance" per se legislation, presumes individuals guilty of driving while intoxicated simply if trace levels of a controlled substances or even drug metabolites ( inactive compounds indicative of past drug use ) are detected in their bodily fluids -- even if the individual is neither under the influence nor impaired to drive. For anyone who enjoys an occasional toke from a marijuana cigarette, this news ought to be especially unsettling, as marijuana metabolites are often detectable in a person's urine for days or even weeks after the drug is consumed.

Aside from being poorly drafted, this unfunded federal mandate from Congress is unnecessary. All states already have DUID ( driving under the influence of drugs ) statutes on the books. Most are "effect-based" laws that forbid drivers to operate a motor vehicle if they are either "under the influence" of a controlled substance, or if they have been rendered "incapable of driving safely" because of their use of an illicit drug. This is a multidisciplinary standard that focuses on the totality of circumstances and rightly punishes motorists who drive while impaired from having recently used illicit drugs.

There is no need for additional legislation, especially from the federal government.

While driving under the influence of illicit and licit substances is obviously a serious issue, Portman's proposal neither addresses the problem nor offers a legitimate solution. "Zero tolerance" laws are neither a safe nor sensible way to identify impaired drivers; they are an attempt to misuse the traffic safety laws in order to identify and prosecute recreational drug users.

At a minimum, laws targeting drug drivers should identify "parent drugs" ( in other words, cocaine or THC ), not simply inactive drug metabolites. Further, these laws must have scientifically sound cut-off levels that correlate drug concentration to impairment of performance, similar to the 0.08 BAC standard that now exists for drunk driving. There must also be assurances that the laws mandate any and all drug testing to be performed and confirmed by accredited state labs using uniform procedures and standards.

Until these measures are in place, it is premature and illogical for Congress to strong-arm states to adopt this unnecessary and unsound "zero tolerance" drugged driving policy.


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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2601234 - 04/25/04 03:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

looks like they are trying to bust drug users under the guise of "impaired driving". Some serious common sense problems in this proposed system.


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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2604657 - 04/26/04 02:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I can't believe that's even proposed. What a crock of shit. I am really, really sick of these ultra-conservitive types who actually think they know what's best for everyone.


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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2604804 - 04/26/04 03:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:mad: those bastards!


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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: waterbug]
    #2604887 - 04/26/04 03:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

UGHHHH....

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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2604950 - 04/26/04 04:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Rob Portman can lick my choda


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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2605839 - 04/27/04 11:17 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

They should take a bite out of the non-drug impaired drivers. . .like those over 70.
I think it's interesting that one of the points brought up in the legislation is that it is difficult for officers to detect 'drug-impaired' drivers [this law would help give them the 'tools'].

I wonder if that's because they're driving fine and are coherent?


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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2606574 - 04/27/04 03:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

There is no way this can get passed, I just dont see it happening, its not logical at all. There is no reason why this should become a law, it would have only downsides.


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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: DailyPot]
    #2606856 - 04/27/04 04:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

> There is no way this can get passed, I just dont see it happening, its not logical at all.

Law makers don't care about logic, or anything else except getting re-elected.


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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2607028 - 04/27/04 05:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: Learyfan]
    #2610482 - 04/28/04 06:26 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #2610601 - 04/28/04 08:18 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This is the dumbest shit ever whats next putting a drug testing system on every public tolet that prints you out a ticket after you use it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: Protester]
    #2611127 - 04/28/04 01:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

>>This is the dumbest shit ever whats next putting a drug testing system on every public tolet that prints you out a ticket after you use it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i will piss on the floor if they ever do that.

this insanity cant last much longer...

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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: Protester]
    #2613256 - 04/28/04 10:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

More like locks all the doors until the cops arrive to put you away in prison for 10 years

Yes, this is absolutely bullshit, and what will it do besides encourage people to start using drugs not drug tested for, such as the RCs and hallucinogens. (Not that that's a bad thing.)

The more this huge sun of stupidity gains, the closer it gets to collapsing in on itself


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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2618929 - 04/29/04 11:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Does anyone really understand the percentage of americans that use drugs? It seems like they're targeting all types of drugged driving except those 'socially acceptable drugs'. Whose ever heard of cigarettes causing an accident...


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Re: Manditory drug testing for all Americans. [Re: Seuss]
    #2627451 - 05/02/04 11:15 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
> There is no way this can get passed, I just dont see it happening, its not logical at all.

Law makers don't care about logic, or anything else except getting re-elected.



This doesn't seem like a good way to do that either :crazy:


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