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so utterly disapointed
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went out of town for 5 days and when I left this tub was pinning, came back to this



Had two tubs behind this one that were almost fully colonized and they looked like this


Had a bunch of shoeboxes on second flushes that were just pinning. They were all extremely overgrown, black caps, all curled up.....

Most of them had spotches of Trich....

Idk wtf is going on, what I did wrong, everything looked fine when I left ...

What do you think was the cause of the Trich..?

I have had lots and lots of Trich lately....

I recently moved and I have been having lots of issues with recurring trich...

Any thoughts? Suggestions?
I moved everything out of my grow area... Washing everything with soap and water then plan to wipe with isopropyl alcohol before re-use.

Sprayed the shit out of the area with Lysol...

not sure what else to do or how to prevent this..?

I know the spawn was all clean. Maybe the tubs were too moist ?

I also added some coffee grinds and gypsum.

Never had issue with coffee grinds before but maybe that was the cause...?

So devastated...  :undecided:  :confused:  :cryariver:  :hissyfit:  :frown:

Are those fruits on the trich tub fine to dry and eat..?


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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as long as there is no mold on the fruits themselves they will be ok is what i was told and live by and im still alive so youll be ok lol. nice flush too bad it all trichd. better luck next time?


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: badmojo420]
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yeah hopefully.

This trich is recurring though and popping up all over so I really don't get what is going on or why its happening or how to prevent it :/


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: badmojo420]
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I dont know. Everything I have read claims that if trich takes over first flush then it was the spawn. Unfortunately I am in the same boat. Things look great on all my boxes right till they pin then I got a 50/50 shot on them triching out. Im now working with a flowhood and started back at spores/new clones so I hope that helps. That culture looks like a beast tho I would have a hard time letting it go. Good luck.  Hope we get sorted out.

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Bph]
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Thanks man, good luck to you too


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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Could your sub be too wet. I went through that issue, now I short change the water for my bricks...


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Mr. Funguy]
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Yeah it definitely could be too wet. Especially because I left and I think there was way too much presicipation when I got back. I would have normally upped the FAE if I noticed it but maybe my neglect helped cause the outbreak...?


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Mr. Funguy] * 2
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The coffee grounds could be part of the problem if your not properly pasturizing it. I don’t think you can just bucket Tek it like you do with coir.


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: SFS96]
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It's a possibility. I've done bootboxes that have been too wet, crack a lid, and a week later, breaks out. I've learned to do 2q water:1 brick/1q verm...


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu] * 3
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id skip the coffee. agar i trust?


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Mr. Funguy]
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Did you test that on agar? Maybe it was already contaminated way early on.. What's your bulk substrate tek, bucket coir? Ah, coffee grounds and gypsum... You could try without either of those or one.

If all else fails, try a different tub, or you could try to skip bulk and fruit from grain jars directly.


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Sellith]
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Sure as hell won't be fruiting jars. Definitely going to be bulk one way or another

Im thinking about going back to shoeboxes for a while and skipping the monos for a bit. I've never had a tub break out in trich like this. I think maybe it has to do with me not being there to keep an eye on conditions...? I've been having real bad luck with trich lately. Like every tub has it by the second flush and some have been getting it on the first flush. Could spores be all over my grow area or more likely its from the spawn or sub?

I did agar to grain then have been doing g2g for a while from those. been a few generations. I have like 28 jars now that are all almost colonized, maybe my next set I'll start a new agar batch to use as masters.

Idk, the jars looked and smelled super clean to me. Broke up real easy and nicely...

Yeah I do bucket tek, boiling water on coir in a cooler overnight.

I haven't used coffee or gypsum in a long time but was hoping it would help with yield and have used both successfully in the past without contam issues.

Wish I knew what the cause was. I might go back to pure coir and verm and try a bit on the dry side and see how that goes i suppose ? Hoping its not my area that is just contaming with trich from the air or something..? idk


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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Sounds good, grain to agar or restart from agar and use only coir or something else. Maybe shoeboxes like you said.


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Sellith] * 1
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It's definitely the coffee grounds. They are too nutritious for molds and bacteria even after pasturizing. If you want to add them in brew a cup of coffee and add them to your grains as they are soaking. Careful on adding too much as that can change the pH of your grains and then the mycelium won't be able to colonize properly.

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Bbaron]
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Bbaron said:
It's definitely the coffee grounds. They are too nutritious for molds and bacteria even after pasturizing. If you want to add them in brew a cup of coffee and add them to your grains as they are soaking. Careful on adding too much as that can change the pH of your grains and then the mycelium won't be able to colonize properly.



i agree it's the coffee , i would skip the coffee and do everything the same and evaluate results ,

pasteurized coffee turned green so fast every time for me , like it's mentioned too nutritious to wait for mycelium

also , give the tubs some fae while colonizing , trich loves stuck stagnant air , not much fae , but some.


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Bbaron]
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Try damions elementary coir tek to the T. 1 brick 2 quarts of verm and 4 quarts of water. It comes out looking almost too dry.


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: dmppb]
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Yeah I left for 5 days, i leave the lid mostly on during colonization and shoeboxes work fine without touching the lid so figured the unmodified tub would be similar, usualyl im here to check conditions. I really expected to come back to a decent tub and then two more tubs full of decent pins... fuck me...

I had quite a few tubs go trich that  I didn't add coffee or gypsum to too though, these last few weeks or so :shrug:

I usually do 1 brick coir, 4qt water, and like 3qt verm, I start with two and usually end up adding more verm cause its still wet. i'll probably try going even dryer than I have been, i've been prepping more coir at a time to, doing like 2 bricks at a time or so, maybe that's fucking me up...? these tubs did seem wet when i spawned now that I think about it.

Maybe a combination of wet, coffee, very high humidity with low FAE...

Thanks guys

I'll try to clean up my spawn by starting with new agar, try to clean up my sub by eliminating additives and going straight verm and coir, and try to keep my sub on the dry side, and see how all that goes.

Idk why trich keeps appearing in my tubs... But hopefully this all solves it for me and I can get back on track..  :cryariver:


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu] * 1
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holy shit.. Mushboy you got a TC tag... Nice man :super:

Congrats :hatsoff:


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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Its hard to tell if something is 100% clean. But if it contams before first flush finishes, then it was your spawn.


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: The Mycologist]
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This is my current spawn, one jar from each batch of 7, going to spawn 7 tomorrow, just shook the other 21



These are my old jars that I spawned and triched out


These are jars I did with shoeboxes and no coir or gypsum, 1 had trich, the others all had trich second flush. if anything these seemed dirty to me


This was the result though





Idk.

Maybe its spawn.

Maybe its over wet sub.

Maybe a combination of all these things, including coffee grind and gypsum.


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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Your spawn dosent look the greatest plus adding to a overlywet sub spells mold.

Don't use coffee outdated shit. It will mold like 8/10 that's a high 8 like 8.9/10


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: van hatton]
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What about those jars I'm about to spawn, you think those don't look great either?



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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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They all have bacteria in them. Uncolonized grains that appear wet are a dead giveaway.


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Professor X]
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Professor X said:
They all have bacteria in them. Uncolonized grains that appear wet are a dead giveaway.


Dude don't comment if  you clearly have no idea what you're talking about..

What in the fuck...

They aren't colonized yet because I just did g2g and they haven't spread yet.

What. In. The. Fuck....

:rolleyes:


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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I don't see a problem with the spawn. If you do make adjustments on moisture and extra additions the only other thing I could see it being may be your grow room. It might just be packed with trich spores from your last grows.

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Bbaron]
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Thats why i stick with bulk brf cake method.....it seems like alot of these other coirs birdseed and etc can have alot of contam...

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: filmoee]
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Brf takes way too long and doesn't give me the amount of spawn I want


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: filmoee]
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filmoee said:
Thats why i stick with bulk brf cake method.....it seems like alot of these other coirs birdseed and etc can have alot of contam...


worth it


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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The ones that are pressed to the glass and dark arent a good sign. you got agar plate pics?


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: The Mycologist]
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Looking at all those jars, I suspect the sunflower seeds in your spawn mix may be the vector letting the trich in.


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: ttching8475]
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Have you ever forgot a cup of coffee for a few days? If you did, you would know what your main issue is.


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: poisoned]
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When did you g2g those how was the recovery time.


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Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu] * 1
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Enkidu said:
Professor X said:
They all have bacteria in them. Uncolonized grains that appear wet are a dead giveaway.


Dude don't comment if  you clearly have no idea what you're talking about..

What in the fuck...

They aren't colonized yet because I just did g2g and they haven't spread yet.

What. In. The. Fuck....

:rolleyes:



Lmfao!!!
Ya I was gonna say, wait a couple more days, they dont look fully colonized...

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Doesnt look bad to me, grains press against the inside and it's harder for the myc to get to those spots, if you wait a day or two, you'll see it cover them, if not it's a mild contam that won't trich your stuff.
If you see slime, green, black, or off yellow even off white, it's better to ask... also ripples are a giveaway, myc is fluffy or ropey, nothing else...


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: van hatton]
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The Mycologist said:
The ones that are pressed to the glass and dark arent a good sign. you got agar plate pics?


Not any colonized.

I have agar in my fridge i put in directly after transfer and when I want to use it I pull it out and let it colonize the plate then use

ttching8475 said:
Looking at all those jars, I suspect the sunflower seeds in your spawn mix may be the vector letting the trich in.


Hmmm you think? This is actually the first time i've ever tried using brands with sunflower seeds and keeping them in. I read a few people saying they had no problem with it and it adds nutes but maybe thats old info.


van hatton said:
When did you g2g those how was the recovery time.


hmmm... The most recent one was about 5 days ago. The other ones were between 5 and 8 days ago or so maybe


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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How many did you g2g too

I get 7 days with one quart to 5 lb bags 1:5 jar ratio


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Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.

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:thumbsup:
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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: van hatton]
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i did 1 qt jar split to 7 qt jars

Should I cut out the sunflower seeds ?

Should I cut out the gypsum?


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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I swear I’ve read you’re supposed to remove the sunflower seeds because it can open the door for contams.

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Jxshy12]
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That's not how it works.

You are the only vector if your grain preps on point

You get over hydrated grains you get bacteria.

Edit same with underhydration it's hard to sterilize dry grains.


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Tmethyl said:
Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.

Caps McGee said:
:thumbsup:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you

Edited by van hatton (05/13/19 01:03 PM)

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: van hatton]
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van hatton said:
That's not how it works.

You are the only vector if your grain preps on point

You get over hydrated grains you get bacteria.

Edit same with underhydration it's hard to sterilize dry grains.


Thanks man. So more or less it shouldn't be a huge issue?

I think i'll just take away the coffee, prep a bit drier sub, and start with fresh agar after I spawn these last jars, then see what happens :shrug:

I think I'll start some more agar work. I only have about 10 plates and they're all old as fuck, been sitting in my fridge for about a year.

Maybe ill prep some plates and take a new clone..


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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I’m sure that the seeds can be kept in and used successfully,  but filtering them out is a theme in a lot of the WBS prep teks. I know Yesum and Stareatclouds use WBS primarily. It might be worthwhile to shoot them a PM.


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: ttching8475]
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Yeah I mean I toss a lot of them, all the floaters, mainly if they don't float I leave them, the number of sunflower seeds in the spawn is very low with the jars i've ran recently. Maybe i'll go back to grabbing the wild finch seed with no sunflower seeds :shrug:

I just found this cheap and figured I would try it.


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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I don't see how they would make much of a difference :shrug:

Get some wheat that's the good shit.

Those plates are probably dead just a heads up


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Tmethyl said:
Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.

Caps McGee said:
:thumbsup:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: van hatton] * 1
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Why do you say they're dead?

I just used one weeks ago and got all the jars i've done in the last few weeks or month or so

I got probably over a lb of mushrooms from the jars so far

All my pics from the last 2 months came from one of those old plates in my fridge

edit: I guess by weeks I mean 2 months ago or so

Edited by Enkidu (05/13/19 01:30 PM)

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Jxshy12] * 1
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Jxshy12 said:
I swear I’ve read you’re supposed to remove the sunflower seeds because it can open the door for contams.


I removed them and grew from just the debris and floaters.

It's all gravy baby


Even pinned invitro:cool:


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
Why do you say they're dead?

I just used one weeks ago and got all the jars i've done in the last few weeks or month or so

I got probably over a lb of mushrooms from the jars so far

All my pics from the last 2 months came from one of those old plates in my fridge

edit: I guess by weeks I mean 2 months ago or so


I just lost like 30 plates after 6 months. They all died within 2 weeks of each other.


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Tmethyl said:
Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.

Caps McGee said:
:thumbsup:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: van hatton]
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mushboy said:
Jxshy12 said:
I swear I’ve read you’re supposed to remove the sunflower seeds because it can open the door for contams.


I removed them and grew from just the debris and floaters.

It's all gravy baby


Even pinned invitro:cool:


So cool to see something like this verified by personal experience :hatsoff:

I'm going to make some new agar plates right now and then take a fruit to agar.

Probably cut 5 pieces or so out of the fruit and transfer to agar then transfer those to another 15 plates or so.

van hatton said:
Enkidu said:
Why do you say they're dead?

I just used one weeks ago and got all the jars i've done in the last few weeks or month or so

I got probably over a lb of mushrooms from the jars so far

All my pics from the last 2 months came from one of those old plates in my fridge

edit: I guess by weeks I mean 2 months ago or so


I just lost like 30 plates after 6 months. They all died within 2 weeks of each other.


What do you mean...? They didn't grow ..?

These are the plates I just pulled



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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: mushboy]
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mushboy said:
Jxshy12 said:
I swear I’ve read you’re supposed to remove the sunflower seeds because it can open the door for contams.


I removed them and grew from just the debris and floaters.

It's all gravy baby


Even pinned invitro:cool:



That is badass, thank you for clearing that up

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Jxshy12]
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From my experience and observation...

Drop the coffee - it's not worth the risk

I have used WBS for 20+ years and always strain the floaters and sunflower seeds off when I soak and rinse. That funky shell void around the seed is a culprit and they do contam from what I have seen.

You are on the biggest culprit and that is the wrong moisture content.

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Roc]
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My wbs has the wrong moisture content?


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Roc]
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Roc said:
From my experience and observation...

Drop the coffee - it's not worth the risk

I have used WBS for 20+ years and always strain the floaters and sunflower seeds off when I soak and rinse. That funky shell void around the seed is a culprit and they do contam from what I have seen.

You are on the biggest culprit and that is the wrong moisture content.



Interesting, I've always read not to get rid of the SFseeds, they add lichen/lychen  to the grains.


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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I'm just pointing out what was stated earlier about being to wet and causing bacteria problems.

Regarding the grow on the sunflower seeds - you can use them straight because they have the right moisture content.
Mixed with WBS they always get too wet and cause problems.
Grain and sunflower seeds take moisture on differently.

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Roc]
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Oh so youre saying sunflower seeds generally have the wrong moisture content which can cause issues ...?

Or my WBS has the wrong moisture content ..?

Or maybe both


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Mr. Funguy]
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Mr. Funguy said:
Roc said:
From my experience and observation...

Drop the coffee - it's not worth the risk

I have used WBS for 20+ years and always strain the floaters and sunflower seeds off when I soak and rinse. That funky shell void around the seed is a culprit and they do contam from what I have seen.

You are on the biggest culprit and that is the wrong moisture content.



Interesting, I've always read not to get rid of the SFseeds, they add lichen/lychen  to the grains.


Lignin.

WBS is a mix so hydration can be tricky as prepping millet and milo is different. Come over to the oat side...


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Failboat]
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I've considered it actually...

Maybe ill give them a shot.

I saw Bod's tek and it seemed simple enough...


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Enkidu]
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I buy them 50lb/$16 and that's considered pricey. I pour like 10-15lb in a pot. Add water to fill pot. Bring to a boil. Reduce heat to maintain the boil. Remove from heat when thoroughly cooked, but not overcooked. Drain, and air dry.

They use oats to grow Morels.:smoker:


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Failboat]
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Yeah I might give this a shot. I still have a bunch of WBS left.

Maybe ill try to use it up with these old plates, and move this tissue sample to new ones then start working with those on oats

see how it goes


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Get yourself a nice clean culture on agar and noc up pints of the WBS as masters for your oats.:super:


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Roc said:
Mixed with WBS they always get too wet and cause problems.
Grain and sunflower seeds take moisture on differently.


The grains in wbs are all different sizes. Of course they take moisture differently but you can certainly leave sfs in the mix and have no issues.

Soak your wbs do not simmer:oldman:


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Mr. Funguy said:
Roc said:
From my experience and observation...

Drop the coffee - it's not worth the risk

I have used WBS for 20+ years and always strain the floaters and sunflower seeds off when I soak and rinse. That funky shell void around the seed is a culprit and they do contam from what I have seen.

You are on the biggest culprit and that is the wrong moisture content.



Interesting, I've always read not to get rid of the SFseeds, they add lichen/lychen  to the grains.


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I knew I wasn't spelling it right, thank you bodhi...


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As has said skip the coffee maybe but since you mentioned a recent move and now recurring trich problems, you might have more trich spores kicking around your new residence than you did in your previous one.

Change up the brand of your spawn, see if that helps. I'd bet it's this.

You can try being much more aggressively clean during spawn and fruit if you're not already. Places with low spore loads let you get away with a lot, others not so much.

Another one, I think the best one you can do to fight back against trich in particular if you think it's not in your spawn is to start dialing in the ph of your subs/casings to north of 7.5 using wood ash. Try it with all the sub or just the casing/pseudocasing/whatever you do.

Lime works too but meh. Wood ash ftw.

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The Mycologist said:
The ones that are pressed to the glass and dark arent a good sign. you got agar plate pics?


Same thing I saw. OP is an angry person I guess, kind of blew up for pointing that out.


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SpikeSpiegel said:
As has said skip the coffee maybe but since you mentioned a recent move and now recurring trich problems, you might have more trich spores kicking around your new residence than you did in your previous one.

Change up the brand of your spawn, see if that helps. I'd bet it's this.

You can try being much more aggressively clean during spawn and fruit if you're not already. Places with low spore loads let you get away with a lot, others not so much.

Another one, I think the best one you can do to fight back against trich in particular if you think it's not in your spawn is to start dialing in the ph of your subs/casings to north of 7.5 using wood ash. Try it with all the sub or just the casing/pseudocasing/whatever you do.

Lime works too but meh. Wood ash ftw.


Thanks for the advice :super:


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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Failboat]
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Quirkmeister92 said:
Mr. Funguy said:
Roc said:
From my experience and observation...

Drop the coffee - it's not worth the risk

I have used WBS for 20+ years and always strain the floaters and sunflower seeds off when I soak and rinse. That funky shell void around the seed is a culprit and they do contam from what I have seen.

You are on the biggest culprit and that is the wrong moisture content.



Interesting, I've always read not to get rid of the SFseeds, they add lichen/lychen  to the grains.


Lignin.

WBS is a mix so hydration can be tricky as prepping millet and milo is different. Come over to the oat side...


Do you find oats to be slower than wbs?
I've been tempted to try them cause they are so cheap but I saw a side by side comparison using a culture and the oats were really slow compared to the wbs.

I've found the sunflower seeds to always be last to take hold while all the other grain is colonized and with it wet it invites bacteria.

I'll have to give the oats a go.

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Re: so utterly disapointed [Re: Roc]
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Thats interesting.

Because since i've started using WBS with sunflower seeds, I notice the sunflower seeds are often the first colonized and seem to colonize before other grains...


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