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Durgin
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Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF?
#25988869 - 05/12/19 09:51 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Made a shoebox that was 1:1 rye spawn and CVG with a top layer pseudo-casing. Used an LC made from a B+ clone that had spawned in vitro from a MSS BRF jar. Left the lid on all the way through pinning, and this is what I got:
A few pins on top, and a ton on the sides. I've made 6 or 7 others the same way and never had this happen before. Any idea why this would happen? Is it just genetics that are prone to side pins (the clone was basically a side pin, after all), or is there something wrong with the box? I started misting after the side pins blew up, but otherwise left it the hell alone as recommended. Thanks!
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: Durgin]
#25988883 - 05/12/19 10:01 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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your surface was to dry. so it pinned where there was plenty of evap and moisture.
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: Ziran]
#25988940 - 05/12/19 10:52 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's because as the substrate consolidates the sides of it pull away from the sides of the container. This small spaces creates major air flow and the microclimate there is much more conducive to pinning than the middle top surface where there is far less airflow.
To avoid this in future use a liner in your tubs. The substrate will pull the liner with it as it consolidates preventing the sidewall microclimate and side pinning.
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: Mycologist217]
#25989006 - 05/13/19 12:05 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh wow lol nice dude Sometimes my subs dnt shrink until halfway thru the first flush. I have yet to use a liner. It seems like a bad idea for some reason. I dnt like not being able to see in detail whats going on.
Also, i have a feeling that even if you blocked off all exposure of the sides to open air at any given stage in it's life you wud still get them. Im guessing not nearly as bad though.
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rizingfire
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: Feasoghorm] 1
#25989011 - 05/13/19 12:08 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doesnt light induce pinning as well? Pretty sure I used to cover the sides of my clear tubs with blue or black tape to cut down on that as well.
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: rizingfire]
#25989014 - 05/13/19 12:13 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's still a decent haul tho, they will just be squished a lil...I'd take it out of the tub and put in a bigger FC for the next flush if it were me.
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Feasoghorm
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: rizingfire]
#25989017 - 05/13/19 12:17 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Keep forgetting who told me this... but one of us cultivators uses a wire rack like for drying dishes or something. He places the rack inside face/top down, got one that fits just right, flips the tub over and taps on it until the sub frees itself from the tub, then removes the tub to freely harvest all the smooshed dongers. After harvesting the surface of course.
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: Feasoghorm] 1
#25989071 - 05/13/19 01:15 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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or just grab the thing and pull it out. They are a lot tougher than people think when they are healthy and not too wet. I'll be back in a second. Gotta go upload some photos.
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Durgin
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Quote:
verum subsequentis said: This is another way to take the sub out
And after that - what then?
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newtomyc
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: rizingfire]
#25989272 - 05/13/19 06:26 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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rizingfire said: Doesnt light induce pinning as well? Pretty sure I used to cover the sides of my clear tubs with blue or black tape to cut down on that as well.
Light isn't a trigger. It's good to expose the myc at every stage. Surface condition is the only trigger for side pins (bad surface conditions and good micro climate on sides.
Liners,IMO, are a crutch but seems to be effective one. I trying to just keep my surface optimal and learn without a crutch. Level substrate and packing down sides at spawn, really seem to help (but I still get them).
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: newtomyc]
#25989322 - 05/13/19 07:13 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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newtomyc said:
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rizingfire said: Doesnt light induce pinning as well? Pretty sure I used to cover the sides of my clear tubs with blue or black tape to cut down on that as well.
Light isn't a trigger. It's good to expose the myc at every stage. Surface condition is the only trigger for side pins (bad surface conditions and good micro climate on sides.
Liners,IMO, are a crutch but seems to be effective one. I trying to just keep my surface optimal and learn without a crutch. Level substrate and packing down sides at spawn, really seem to help (but I still get them).
Liners aren’t a crutch, they are a tool. That’s like saying a casing layer for cubes are a crutch. It has a purpose, but they aren’t mandatory. Things like injection ports are crutches. Something I learned the hard way while I was still learning.
Also, light doesn’t stimulate primordial growth like proper surface conditions do. If that’s what you meant, you’re correct. However, it does factually influence mushroom growth and where pins form. It just happens to be secondary to air currents and humidity.
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: MechaLegend]
#25989387 - 05/13/19 08:01 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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MechaLegend said:
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newtomyc said:
Liners aren’t a crutch, they are a tool. That’s like saying a casing layer for cubes are a crutch. It has a purpose, but they aren’t mandatory. Things like injection ports are crutches. Something I learned the hard way while I was still learning.
Also, light doesn’t stimulate primordial growth like proper surface conditions do. If that’s what you meant, you’re correct. However, it does factually influence mushroom growth and where pins form. It just happens to be secondary to air currents and humidity.
Yes I guess you can look at it like a tool, agreed. I personal thrive for surface conditions to be spot on, so I choose not to use that "tool".
Thank you for clearing up the light, because that's what I meant.
Have a wonderful day
Edit: not sure how to get the quote to end before my response
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Edited by newtomyc (05/13/19 10:18 AM)
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: newtomyc]
#25989521 - 05/13/19 09:25 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are a couple TC's that will state differently. In regards to a liner and light...
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: Mr. Funguy] 2
#25989535 - 05/13/19 09:33 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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yah light is not a pinning trigger like that. hence people posting about pf jars pinning while inside cardboard boxes (or buckets)
i have no need for liners. level surface, slightly tamped down edges, proper water content=no side pins.
it just takes practice and sometimes you fuck up. bfd.
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: mushboy]
#25989541 - 05/13/19 09:40 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
yah light is not a pinning trigger like that. hence people posting about pf jars pinning while inside cardboard boxes (or buckets)
i have no need for liners. level surface, slightly tamped down edges, proper water content=no side pins.
it just takes practice and sometimes you fuck up. bfd.
Happens to the best of us.
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: mushboy]
#25989591 - 05/13/19 10:20 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
yah light is not a pinning trigger like that. hence people posting about pf jars pinning while inside cardboard boxes (or buckets)
i have no need for liners. level surface, slightly tamped down edges, proper water content=no side pins.
it just takes practice and sometimes you fuck up. bfd.
That's what I'm thriving for. No crutches, proper conditions.
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Edited by newtomyc (05/13/19 10:26 AM)
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: newtomyc]
#25989646 - 05/13/19 10:55 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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For the record. I have one culture that will pin EVERYWHERE no matter how nice my surface conditions are. It'll literally lift the substrate of the bottom of the tub with bottom pins and i don't mean "oh man how crazy, bottom pins". The bottom will put off just about as much fruit as the top.
Some cultures are easy to not get side pins and some are not but it is almost entirely about proper surface conditions. I don't use liners most of the time but I also don't trip on getting side pins. It's more magic. I don't trip on trying to save them if they are all smashed and infused with coir. But i do dry them and keep them in my personal magic tea kit.
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Feasoghorm
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From my limited experience it seems that B+ is generally a beast of a side pinning variety.
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verum subsequentis
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Re: Shoebox that's almost all side pins - WTF? [Re: Feasoghorm]
#25989727 - 05/13/19 11:38 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are a ton of different B+ cultures. I don't know if the entire variety would behave like your genetics do. I'm rather dubious actually. The generic diversity within a single drop of spore solution never ceases to amaze me.
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