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OfflineDivided_Sky
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What is the dosage for dried San Pedro?
    #2598504 - 04/24/04 05:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Alot of places sell the stuff at about $1 a gram, but I have read it takes 100 grams of dried Pedro to make a 300mg dose! That is $100 for one trip! Is this true? Seems like buying a footlong fresh cutting would save you $75. Am I wrong?


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2599441 - 04/25/04 12:56 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It is impossible to estimate the amount of mescaline in any cactus. It depends mostly on how much the cactus has been stressed by enviornmental factors (heat, lack of water, etc etc) and also how old the cactus is.

I recomend that you buy a San Pedro at a local nursery, or online and grow it yourself. That is very expensive.


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: JeeLiX]
    #2600534 - 04/25/04 12:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Nothing is impossible.
It's rather easy to estimate the amount of mescaline in a cactus.

Here is the info from Erowid that I use to guide my doses.

Oral Mescaline HCl Dosages
Threshold 100 mg
Light 100 - 200 mg
Common 200 - 300 mg
Strong 300 - 500 mg
Heavy 500 - 700 mg


Lophophora williamsii - 300 mg / 27 g dried material
Trichocerus peruvianus - 300 mg / 15 to 100 grams dried material (.3% - 2.0%)
Trichocerus pachanoi - 300 mg / 15 to 100 grams grams dried material (.3% - 2.0%)

I usually go with about 50 dried grams.
Using the mean between .3% and 2% of 1.15%, theoretically that makes my doses around 575 mg.
But they could be anywhere from 150mg to a staggering 1grm. Notice that I'm not erring on the side of caution. I deffinately want to trip. You may want to adjust you dosage to make sure that you will be comfortable with what you are going to experience.

Here are the LD50 doses for rats, mice, and guinea pigs.
LD50 crystals : 212 mg/kg i.p.(mice)
LD50 crystals : 132 mg/kg i.p. (rats)
LD50 crystals : 328 mg/kg i.p.(guinea pigs)

Using the LD50 for rats(because it is the lowest) to estimate my LD50(I know it doesn't really work this way but I'm doing it just for a very rough estimate), I would need to consume 13.771 grams of pure mescaline to kill half a population of rats my size.


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2601215 - 04/25/04 03:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

There are four doses of 300-500 milligrams of mescaline in one dried ounce of peyote.

It only takes one quater ounce dried (7 grams for a dose) That could be form four to 15 buttons depending on there size. Four very large buttons or 15 smaller than a dime dried buttons.

mj


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2601252 - 04/25/04 03:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Man, what a guessing game! One dose of 25 dried grams could be anywhere below threshold or beyond ego loss!

Do you guys have any idea what the equivelant size for cuttings would be? Like how many inches is 25 or 50 grams dried?


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2601305 - 04/25/04 04:00 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, I think 25 grams dried is about 100 grams fresh which is like 6 inches I think. Sounds like a pretty small dose a and probobly not too cost effective considering $25 for 100g is twice the price of fresh cactus. Although, I guess what really matters is how strong the cactus is.

If any of you guys have experience with the dried cactus they sell on the internet how potent are they typically?


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2602302 - 04/25/04 09:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've eaten 50 grams dried peruvian torch(ground and incapsulated) and it had me tripping good for around 18 hrs. The only problem with that is expelling the rehydrated cactus flesh all the next day. I prefer an extraction over eating dried cactus or making a cactus tea.

I've never been disapointed yet.


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2602515 - 04/25/04 10:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Do you like T. Pachanoi or Peruvanius better?


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2602889 - 04/26/04 12:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Is San pedro legal in the US?
Someone mentioned that cactus to me refering to something like for landscapeing.


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: blu3]
    #2603000 - 04/26/04 01:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

blu3 said:
Is San pedro legal in the US?
Someone mentioned that cactus to me refering to something like for landscapeing.




Yes indeed it is.


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2603288 - 04/26/04 03:11 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

thats teh best "15 to a 100 grams dried material."


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2604009 - 04/26/04 09:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

mjshroomer said:
There are four doses of 300-500 milligrams of mescaline in one dried ounce of peyote.

It only takes one quater ounce dried (7 grams for a dose) That could be form four to 15 buttons depending on there size. Four very large buttons or 15 smaller than a dime dried buttons.

mj




Hi MJ,
I'm just regurgitating this info from the Erowid site. If you have a link to an analysis of Lophophora Williamsii, then please share it with us and the folks at Erowid. Clearly they are ignoring that every specimen has the potential to vary in potency because they don't list a range of potency, but rather a single number of reference. I looked in Peter Stafford's "Psychedelics Encyclopedia" but I found no better info.


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2604076 - 04/26/04 10:28 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

mmmmmm...
dried sanpedro chips 1 kilogram $US 250...
typical dosage 25 - 50 gm...
so 20 solid doses for $250, or maybe $12.50 for a decent trip...
ymmv...
chew dried slices, or make tea, or make tar, or make tincture, or extract to fine crystals...
growing the plant is legal, but preparing it & consuming it are NOT legal activities in the USSA...

go figure...


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: gnrm23]
    #2605456 - 04/26/04 06:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

dried sanpedro chips 1 kilogram $US 250...
typical dosage 25 - 50 gm...
so 20 solid doses for $250, or maybe $12.50 for a decent trip...




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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: Its Pat]
    #2606216 - 04/27/04 02:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, one last question? Is the estimated dosage for Peruvian Torch any different? If I get some of that will I have to take less than I would of T. Pachanoi?


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2610650 - 04/28/04 09:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I recently purchased 100g of dried peruvian torch chips for ?25 . I ate 40g (chugged it down with oj it was vile) and was seriously tripping for almost 15 hours ( at which point i went to sleep ). I wouldnt recommend doing this drug in an unfamiliar or even slightly hostile environment in large doses as it is a lot different to shrooms . It seems to me to be a great trip though , the time distortions are awesome :smile:


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: Cather]
    #2611652 - 04/28/04 03:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I recently purchased 100g of dried peruvian torch chips for ?25 . I ate 40g (chugged it down with oj it was vile) and was seriously tripping for almost 15 hours ( at which point i went to sleep ). I wouldnt recommend doing this drug in an unfamiliar or even slightly hostile environment in large doses as it is a lot different to shrooms . It seems to me to be a great trip though , the time distortions are awesome :smile:




Damn! I was thinking of taking 25-30 grams but even that seems like alot. My target dose is about 300-325mg mesc, or maybe a level 2.5 (in the mushroom equivalent) that lasts no more than 8-10 hours.

I am not a very experienced tripper so I want to try for a pretty managable trip. How much of the torch should I take?


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2651607 - 05/07/04 10:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

To add to this post I would like to say that 30 grams of good Peruvian Torch (imported from Peru)is NOT a mild dose. oh...no...
Here is my short trip report
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...;o=&fpart=1


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Re: What is the dosage for dried San Pedro? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #5548720 - 04/23/06 09:18 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

try ebay. there are two places I know of in the US that sell dried and powdered peruvianus for US$25 for 125grams, there is mindzeyecreationz/sacred garden, and heavenly products. the 1st mentioned eshop is my preference, but give either a try, at $1.00 per gram thats 4/5X's the price, screw them!  :mushroom2:
ps: i dont know the doses, or potency of the product as yet, i just know the price is right.


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