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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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specialpeopleclub said:
The only way to describe the last two comments is 'stupid'

The US and and it's I plicit agreement to keep trading routs safe is app that lets any of the modern nation's survive well it could be indipendent.

The threats from Russia, China, NK, Iran? All because we let them be globle nation's so their citizens don't starve.

Israel wouldn't be a nation at all without us. The surrounding nation's would destroy it eventually and that would be the end of Israeli Jews and Israel as a concept.

Idealistic retardation and ignorance.
Not that we don't go places we don't need to because they literally are less then no threat and we could subdue and destroy their economic at any time.
The weak and kind American people wouldn't let us do anything like that though.

We didn't use to have global markets. Nation's would conquer and colonize so they had resources for themself, and maybe distant trading partners. China was conquered for a century



specialpeopleclub said:
The only way to describe the last two comments is 'stupid'

The US and and it's I plicit agreement to keep trading routs safe is app that lets any of the modern nation's survive well it could be indipendent.

The threats from Russia, China, NK, Iran? All because we let them be globle nation's so their citizens don't starve.

Israel wouldn't be a nation at all without us. The surrounding nation's would destroy it eventually and that would be the end of Israeli Jews and Israel as a concept.

Idealistic retardation and ignorance.
Not that we don't go places we don't need to because they literally are less then no threat and we could subdue and destroy their economic at any time.
The weak and kind American people wouldn't let us do anything like that though.

We didn't use to have global markets. Nation's would conquer and colonize so they had resources for themself, and maybe distant trading partners. China was conquered for a century



We let Russia and China be global nations? The Soviet Union did most of the heavy work in defeating Nazi Germany and they had/have a nuclear arsenal that mutually assured destruction between them and us. China will soon be the world's largest economy.


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: Brian Jones]
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It's quite nonsensical. Just the other day, Israel killed 16 people's people. Why? Because they were there.

Drone shooting teargas cannisters.


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: life is good]
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isreal palestein
they all look the same to me

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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: Konyap]
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Nazionalizm


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
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I think the idea of nationalism was very much turned sour by the lefties, trying to portray nationalists as narrow minded neonazis, who believe that their country is the best in the world, while all other countries suck.

Yet I see nationalists as people who are willing to protect their country and to make it better. Who take pride in their heritage and want to pass it to their children in a better shape, then they received it from their forefathers.

The problem with 'citizens of the world' is that they don't feel the responsibility to protect their country. And there are aggressive cultures in the world that might want to harm your country. If you are a globalist, you just sigh and move to another country. While a nationalist will take a rifle and protect his homeland.

Edited by Rogert85 (05/17/19 10:56 AM)

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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: Brian Jones]
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Due to it's demographics China won't ever get there. Russia is making their move because in a couple years they will barely have a military. They also have a demographic crisis due to age

Without America there is no global economy


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
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How about we put humanity and the world first and our particular tribe in our neck of the woods second?

Isnt it our duty to overthrow our government if our government set out to destroy humanity?

Our duty to the species is of greater weight than to any nation or ethnicity.


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: Asante] * 1
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We aren't United as a species. I try to explain why that idea is so unrealistic and naive. There are cultures like Islam that are extremely xenophobic and throw people off buildings for being gay.
There is China where they have a 5000 year old extremely ethnocentric culture.
It's only some westerners that want a United world.

People want different things and only the internet creates the illusion of the connectedness you want


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: Asante]
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Asante you can love you country and not hate others. I love people and cultures from every region. If you say to love your country means you hate others, who can argue with you? It's not true but who can argue? I love my country and every other. People are the same wherever you go. Asante, you have a view perhaps, you are universal, you have no tribe and all tribes.

But do you get peace in a town by destroying the families? No, only death.

Peace is made by building people up.

Sri Maharshi said, "first empower people, then teach them peace." And he said, one day the human world will be one shining house.

But you do it by empowerment first, not by destruction.

Peace in a town doesn't come from destroying families, nor in a family by destroying individuals.


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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specialpeopleclub said:
It's only some westerners that want a United world.



I think you'd find that any human, sufficiently advanced/evolved/mature in their thinking and mindset, would want exactly what Asante proposes.

Of course the vast majority will remain brainwashed, such as it has ever been. Tribalism is in our nature, but is that ideal?

Does it mean that we should devolve to the lowest common denominator, or should we look to what is best?


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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specialpeopleclub said:
We aren't United as a species. I try to explain why that idea is so unrealistic and naive. There are cultures like Islam that are extremely xenophobic and throw people off buildings for being gay.
There is China where they have a 5000 year old extremely ethnocentric culture.
It's only some westerners that want a United world.

People want different things and only the internet creates the illusion of the connectedness you want




This is why we should take effort to Unite, and in the process of humanity Uniting we will lose our rough edges and frills.

This is exactly why we should take effort to overcome our differences and Unite not despite but with respect for our differences.

The ones who manage to Unite will be the next superpower, not China or whatever nation.

China, America, Europe, Japan, they are divided.

The United will not be.

This is a process that is happening now and the Internet helps facilitate it, making it from a local phenomenon into a global one.


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: Asante] * 1
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What is uniting? People aren't giving up their interests or security in the name of an abstract idea. When pressure is on, people divide. When pressure is on, only people around you in proximity that share the same interests unite. I can say I'm United with someone across the world, but I'm really not in any but a spiritual sense, which means nothing when people need fed or protected


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: life is good]
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life is good said:
Asante you can love you country and not hate others. I love people and cultures from every region. If you say to love your country means you hate others, who can argue with you?




I'm not saying that, I'm clearly saying that the best interest of humanity should trump that of a subgroup of humanity and that the best interest of the world at large should trump that of a particular nation or region.

There is a place for national and ethnic pride but its a place thats BENEATH planetary pride and biotope pride.

MOST OF ALL WE ARE EARTHLINGS.

Humans have 50% of DNA in common with bananas.

We Earthlings, from humans right to fungi and soil bacteria, are ONE and that ONE should survive the aeons. Nothing else matters as much as that.
For this, we need a holistic view of what unites us.

All the life of earth that ever was or will be is one hive organism.
Shouldnt our loyalty to that hive organism outweigh that to any subdivision thereof?


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: Asante]
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Asante, I had best friends from every place in the world. In my school there  were people from Iran, Indonesia, Sudan, and many others. Growing up I had Chinese students at my house, women who were in university. I had (almost) as universal a community around me as is possible.

And yet Christian, Western were the most common.

Are you aware of what it's like to have every culture, all around you, living in happiness?

It's good. No one from Eastern ancestry hated someone from Western or vice versa.


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: life is good]
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It's all nice untill putting everyone above your group puts you on the loosing side


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: split_by_nine]
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split_by_nine said:
specialpeopleclub said:
life is good said:
Between Israel and Palestine, death tolls are frequently 500-1 or so.

How is it retardation to have a problem with that?

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The palestinians are the agressors. There are plenty of Islamic Israelites.
They should be thankfully we live in a time where people are stupid and winners get hate for winning.
I'd have given a warning then just emptied it out, problem solved.
Palestinians aren't even a historical people group of the region


split_by_nine said:
out from extreme poverty and in to regular poverty lol



Not all are in poverty. China has a growing middle class. This is the even our responsibility. So, your problem is that it isn't good enough?




no. my problem is that there are plenty of RESOURCES and WEALTH and TECHNOLOGY for every human. but it is grossly disproportionately shared. i dont think you or I can fix it single-handedly but i do think we as a country can do better for our US citizens and people abroad.



I agree that a more even distribution of wealth and resources should occur in the US.

With that being said, there's not enough resources for the rest of the world to live a first world standard of living at this point.

If third world nations want to distribute their own resources more evenly, there's nothing stopping them.

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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: life is good]
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life is good said:
Asante, I had best friends from every place in the world. In my school there  were people from Iran, Indonesia, Sudan, and many others. Growing up I had Chinese students at my house, women who were in university. I had (almost) as universal a community around me as is possible.

And yet Christian, Western were the most common.

Are you aware of what it's like to have every culture, all around you, living in happiness?

It's good. No one from Eastern ancestry hated someone from Western or vice versa.



Yes, when resources are plentiful, diversity of people and ideologies can coexist and bring harmony.

With that being said, resources are finite in nature and that's usually when the conflict and tribalism comes into play.

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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: qman]
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Finite resource is a limited concept.  The sun along can probably generate more than billions years of unlimited energy with the right technology to harness.  And we are not even talking about taping into magnetism and earth sourced energies.  The issue is current human technology has not advanced enough to do so efficiently and rightfully with so many still trapped in the old systems' control.   

Joe Rogan and Graham Hancock had a talk and mentioned nationalism at this segment -
t=3228


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Depends on the nation.....😎


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Re: What do you think of nationalism? [Re: incubis]
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incubis said:
Finite resource is a limited concept.  The sun along can probably generate more than billions years of unlimited energy with the right technology to harness.  And we are not even talking about taping into magnetism and earth sourced energies.  The issue is current human technology has not advanced enough to do so efficiently and rightfully with so many still trapped in the old systems' control.   

Joe Rogan and Graham Hancock had a talk and mentioned nationalism at this segment -
t=3228



Right and wind.


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