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Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT * 8
    #25976595 - 05/06/19 08:53 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)



    (The items) include a 28-centimetre-long leather bag, a pair of wooden snuffing tablets, a snuffing tube, a pair of llama-bone spatulas, a textile headband, fragments of dried plant stems and a pouch made from three fox snouts stitched together. The snuffing tube and tablets feature ornate carvings of human-like figures.

    Melanie Miller at the University of Otago, New Zealand, and her colleagues used mass spectrometry to analyse samples from the pouch and plant stems. They detected five psychoactive compounds: cocaine, benzoylecgonine (BZE), bufotenine, harmine and dimethyltryptamine (DMT).

    The presence of these drugs suggests the pouch may have belonged to a ritual specialist or shaman with extensive knowledge of plants and their psychoactive properties, and used to hold leaves, seeds and other plant matter.





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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: split_by_nine]
    #25976662 - 05/06/19 09:38 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for posting that.
Very cool.

Not shocked.


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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: split_by_nine]
    #25976724 - 05/06/19 10:09 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I want to know who that belonged to.


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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: Amanita86] * 2
    #25976735 - 05/06/19 10:17 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I think his name was Steve.
He ended up becoming a banker.:thumbup:


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Invisiblesplit_by_nine
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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: pineninja]
    #25976802 - 05/06/19 10:50 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

i wonder if the fox-nose pouch was made by the one who carried it? or was it a gift? or a trade?


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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: split_by_nine]
    #25976890 - 05/06/19 11:47 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Hard to say, but I may make a few enemies with my next statement.  If I had access to those pipes, I would take a run with them before storing them away safely:hehehe:

You have to...:shrug:

That’s pretty cool about those snouts though, I’ve never seen that before I don’t think.  South America is fuckin epic, if I had a time machine that’s where I’m heading right off the bat.. it would probably be frightening.


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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: Amanita86]
    #25977003 - 05/07/19 01:12 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

That wasn't for smoking.... That was likely used with yopo

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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: tacodude]
    #25977011 - 05/07/19 01:24 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah and I’d be happy to knock the dust off’em.

They said “harmine”, I wonder where that came from.  Are there plants around there that have harmine only or are they separating things?


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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: Amanita86]
    #25977098 - 05/07/19 03:41 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Very cool indeed.

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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: Amanita86]
    #25977202 - 05/07/19 06:18 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
Yeah and I’d be happy to knock the dust off’em.

They said “harmine”, I wonder where that came from.  Are there plants around there that have harmine only or are they separating things?




They say bufotenine, harmine, dmt. Sounds much like it would be traditional aya. I dont think they separated anything.


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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: Fractal420]
    #25977223 - 05/07/19 06:35 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

dont know shit about new zealand besides that's where they shot the torah. I'm fairly sure with out clicking a link the artifacts came from south america


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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: valiant]
    #25977224 - 05/07/19 06:36 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I mean that's were we saw shmeagle in his true essence


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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: valiant]
    #25977335 - 05/07/19 08:08 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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dont know shit about new zealand besides that's where they shot the torah. I'm fairly sure with out clicking a link the artifacts came from south america




Thats where they shot the torah?

Cause i still havent seen the torah film. I wonder where they shot the bible (not a bad sequel, but not as entertaining as the original)


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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: Fractal420]
    #25977439 - 05/07/19 09:22 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Ancient hallucinogens found in 1,000-year-old shamanic pouch

Though ayahuasca is touted today as an “ancient” preparation, the actual age of the brew and ritual are contested. Capriles’s find can be considered the world’s earliest archaeological evidence of ayahuasca consumption, although there’s no way to prove that the shaman at Cueva del Chileno actually brewed or administered ayahuasca from the ingredients detected in the pouch.

Modern ayahuasca preparations “are idiosyncratic,” says Dennis McKenna, an ethnopharmacologist who specializes in plant hallucinogens and leads modern-day ayahuasca retreats. “Every shaman practically has his own brew.” But he agrees that the substances found in the Cueva del Chileno shaman’s pouch could have been used to prepare ayahuasca.

“People have been arguing that [ayahuasca] was mostly a recent thing,” says Scott Fitzpatrick, an archaeologist at the University of Oregon who was not involved with the research. “The ayahuasca ritual has a deep time perspective now.”

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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: Fractal420]
    #25978005 - 05/07/19 02:22 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah and I’d be happy to knock the dust off’em.

They said “harmine”, I wonder where that came from.  Are there plants around there that have harmine only or are they separating things?




They say bufotenine, harmine, dmt. Sounds much like it would be traditional aya. I dont think they separated anything.



Right but wouldn’t they mention the plants like with the cannabis stems?  The cocaine isn’t leaves, you know what I mean?  Someone is doing chemistry out there in the woods..  I’m curious what the tek was since Home Depot hadn’t kicked off yet, what were they using?

Also if they’re doing that, they’re doing all kinds of things I would think in terms of chemistry etc.  I’m not sure what is “considered to have been known by these people” so I don’t know what is odd for what we thought they were.


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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: Amanita86]
    #25978220 - 05/07/19 04:36 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Amanita, the cocaine is in the leaves, that's it.

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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: Failboat]
    #25978316 - 05/07/19 05:29 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Cocaine is not leaves.


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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: Amanita86]
    #25978360 - 05/07/19 05:55 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Cocaine extractions go back further than 2000 years, and probably older. Plant based extractions in general are not some long forgotten technique really. I don't know about powdered cocaine and stuff, but they had oils available.

South American cultures had alcoholic beverages prior to  Western colonization as well.

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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: PatrickKn]
    #25978393 - 05/07/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I guess that makes sense.  Truth be told I have no idea how long chemistry and it’s methods go back, hadn’t really directly thought about it.  I’d love to know what things and methods they used..I’ll have to look all that up:thumbup:


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Re: Drug paraphernalia that's 1,000-years-old still contains traces of coke and DMT [Re: Amanita86]
    #25978503 - 05/07/19 06:58 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

You two need to do some research

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