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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic] * 1
    #25999748 - 05/18/19 10:58 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I have to say that I am tickled pink by the fact that the surprises in this cultivation are all good so far. I'm on flush #3. I've got 3 cakes in each of my smaller SGFCs, and due to the presence of fuzzy mycelium on my first flush, I decided to look more into the fruiting conditions. I used my plastic lids to start bottom watering the cakes, and reduced misting. In the past week, I've only misted twice. This morning, I was going to mist again. This is what I saw:



That cap that has already dropped spores is more than 3x bigger than any others I've gotten. Sucks that I waited too long, but still, I'm super pleased.

Edit: That cap wound up coming in at 13.71g wet.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
    #26005428 - 05/21/19 12:19 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Nice! Also I've never heard that 3/4 thing. If anything I think I've heard that second flush is only 3/4 of the first flush. Mine usually do this:

1) 300~g wet
2) 225~g wet
3-5) 125~g wet

I need to start dumping my subs after second flush though, lately I've been letting them go way too long (5-6 flushes) and it's been making me think that I have more work happening than I actually do.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #26006286 - 05/21/19 08:26 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, my first bit was weird. I didn't have a super accurate scale, but each flush was actually about 3 days, with harvest twice a day as soon as the veil broke.

I don't remember where the hell I heard that, but I assume it was a youtube video playing that I heard in the background. My results were as follows:

Flush 1: 303g
Flush 2: 228g
Flush 3: 105g

This is not including the in vitro ones I did, that are mere minutes away from being grated and put with cooked coir in a shoebox (I'll probably do a dubtub for now, since I have extra shoeboxes laying around, but switch to bags later). I think those only pulled off around 50g between the 4 cakes.

I used some of the links in your methodologies, and wound up doing 167g of coir with 1 quart of boiling water (3 1/2 pint cakes to grate, one got water logged, and even though I didn't think it was contaminated, it was weird enough I decided to use it as an experiment for outside). The coir wasn't quite at field capacity, but pretty damn close.

Edit: When I initially glanced at your yields, I was paying attention to the trend line in my head. It was only after I posted it I realized how freaking close our yields are numerically. Like disconcertingly. I feel like I did something right!

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
    #26007016 - 05/22/19 09:16 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Edit: When I initially glanced at your yields, I was paying attention to the trend line in my head. It was only after I posted it I realized how freaking close our yields are numerically. Like disconcertingly. I feel like I did something right!



LOL, right? I was like, 'dude's making those numbers up'. But yeah, I've been keeping my eye on these things for a while and notice patterns. You're for sure doing something right.

Also, 3 days between flushes is super fast! Mine is usually a week to two.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #26007814 - 05/22/19 05:14 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Also, 3 days between flushes is super fast! Mine is usually a week to two.





Yeah, I think I formed that sentence poorly. I meant that I harvest when the veil breaks (or is about to), but it's not all at once. It takes about 10 days between flushes for me, but the 3 days before I dunk, I am harvesting twice a day. They don't all mature at once. I'm guessing it's more of a cake thing, because I saw the harvesting method on the unmodified (floating the substrate up), and it looked like it was all maturing at the same time. I haven't experienced that. That is what I meant. It's 3 days of harvesting on each flush, so essentially I am picking fruits 6 times for each flush. Sorry I wasn't clear on that.

Now I want 3 days between flushes. :smile: Granted, I wound up giving away like 1.5 oz on Sunday, as we were wrapping up the GoT Finale*, and still have enough dried to do another heroic trip, microdosing for a few more months, and about 4 recreational trips (I only have one planned with the better half - camping weekend after next, which should be amazing).

Although now that I inoculated 12 more jars, my syringes are low. I need to start looking at the agar stuff, just so I know what I need to do. I am pretty certain I should be taking spore prints for now, and then when I actually start agar, go off of that (or the inner mycelium). I'm not certain what route I'm going to take. I have to poke around on here and rewatch the Let's Grow Mushrooms videos to get my head wrapped around it. I haven't delved deep into that area yet.

I don't think I need to save anything right now, but I only have a very general idea of the steps later. If anyone knows a good starting point (off the top of your head - I've got no qualms doing the research myself), feel free to let me know. This weekend will be for research. I have to say I really like working with coir. It just seems so much nicer than perlite (probably due to the less artificial feel I get from it).


*I felt like the coolest version of Oprah. "You get an eighth! You get an eighth!"

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
    #26010660 - 05/24/19 07:00 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Of course it started here. That's what seems to happen. The second response I received here:

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Yup! Get cracking on AGAR before everyone tells you to start using agar :wink:




I'll admit, the idea of agar intrigued me ever since I started researching cultivation. However, I was focused on my BRF cakes, my SHIP lids, my tSGFC, and now my shoe boxes. I started with 4 spore syringes I purchased. I had perlite handy, but I had to source everything else. Also, I didn't realize how it would get under my skin at the time.

My ethereal knowledge of other processes, acquired via lots of reading and having watched the Let's Grow Mushroom videos a few times in the background (I did start researching wooden bowls, though), I know I'm quickly coming up on the point where I need to do something to ensure this is sustainable without more investment. I was pretty sure my options were either a spore print, or have a fresh fruit when I'm ready that I can grab the...isolated (?) mycelium from inside the mushroom. With some of the threads I've read, and the quoted post above, I knew I'd be doing agar eventually. As some of you know, there are rough plans/fantasies about a cultivation setup on a sail boat. One of the main things that made me even think about it were the long term storage possibilities with slants.

I'm at the point right now where I am essentially just waiting for the next steps, so a good time to start researching. Agar was the subject, and I was a touch intimidated. Fortunately, I'm not alone in that, and almost every single thread I read mentioned something to the effect of "yeah, most people are intimidated. It's cool, and not intimidating at all. Here be the facts:". This was surprisingly effective at making me feel better about it. And I'm very excited about checking my Asian grocery store this afternoon to see if they carry it. I've read through the following threads:

Agar Portal (2017 up to date agar links)
Why You Should Really Start With Agar
Agar - what, why and how? Everything a beginner needs to know.

And I found out what part of this all I am resisting. I do not have a pressure cooker. SABs don't freak me out, and I feel confident (after lessons learned from my first inoculation) in my ability to maintain smooth and methodical motions. But the pressure cooker. I think it was the '06 Stamets cultivation book that mentioned a specific brand of pressure cooker, that was simple and rugged. I don't remember the exact brand (it's getting mixed up in my head with the stems I have in my bathroom), but I'm pretty certain I haven't come across it yet.

I've been contemplating getting an Instant Pot for probably 3 years, and haven't decided to pull the trigger yet. I've kept an eye on Goodwill for a cheap one, but haven't come across one yet. If I buy one, I want to buy one that will last forever, can be fixed by me, and has standardized parts that can be relatively easily found throughout the world.

So that's where I am now. I am heading to the Asian store today, and if they have agar-agar, I'll pick some up. And now I know that my next step is research on PCs. I will use it for mycology, but also for cooking (it's too big to justify for a single purpose).

*You know, when I first started, I was trying to come up with an idea to have some kind of glossary plugin, to where anytime an abbreviation is used, you can mouse over and see what it is. I had initially told myself that I wouldn't be one of these people who just use acronyms willy nilly without explaining it. But I've always liked acronyms, and I find myself using them. Maybe I'll find that glossary and put it in my signature or something.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
    #26013474 - 05/25/19 10:35 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Over in the Agar - what, why and how? Everything a beginner needs to know. article, there is a line that I have to acknowledge.

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If your packet has a smaller rotary phone, or even no phone at all, it'll be fine. Either way, you'll end up spending $2 for enough agar-agar to make about 60 plates.




I read that before I left for work, and giggled. I was keeping in mind that there is nothing complicated about it, and I was doing just fine. Right until I found the aisle. I found a coffee agar desert thing that looked delicious, and an empty slot next to it for agar-agar. Damn. I knew it was agar-agar I needed, since agar is an ingredient, and the whole thing. I felt myself getting a little overwhelmed, until I remembered that it didn't matter what size the phone was. I got more comfortable, and started searching around. With the entire idea of the phone not being there being what stabilized me, I totally found one with a phone. Fuck yeah, and thanks @Psilocon for that particular section of the article.

While I was there, I decided to take a look at the pressure cookers, since that is what I'm coming up against. There was an 8 quart one for something like $70, which was sad. And then I took a quick look on Amazon, and found what looks like a cool one. It's a 23 quart Presto. I decided that would be my starting point. I'd look at the specs, and figure out all the things to pay attention to (I seriously have no frame of reference when it comes to pressure cookers - I don't even think I've ever been in the same room as one). Well, two additional things happened. As I went to close the amazon window, I saw a couple of recommended items, that were replacement parts, which was a good sign. And then, when I was cooking omelettes on a new griddle I recently got, I saw that it was Presto brand.

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    #26017109 - 05/27/19 08:28 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I just dunked my 6 initial GT cakes. This will wind up being their fourth flush. They all smell good with the exception of one section of one cake. I did a soak with some 3% peroxide mixed in. I honestly have no clue if this is going to work or not, but I have a lot more mushrooms than I know what to do with. A buddy of mine and his GF did some last night and played VR on the PS4. He said it was amazing. :smile:

Of the 12 jars inoculated last weekend, I've got solid mycelium growth on 3. I have one that just might have contamination, but it's in a funny spot, so it might just be a trick of the light. I wound up with SHIP lids on all of them, but for the life of me I cannot remember if I was supposed to cover the lids when I put them in the pot. They seemed a bit heavy with water, but not much to do about it now. I'm just going to continue waiting. I think by next weekend I should have a more solid grasp of what is going on. Looking pretty good though.

Not noticing a huge amount of movement with my shoebox experiment. A few bits have popped through the casing layer, but no obvious colonization of the rest of it. I know I'm going to be learning a lot here, and I'm not actually worried about anything as of yet, but kind of fighting that impatience. I can go the route where I don't even notice mushrooms growing, or I check them constantly. One day I might find a happy medium. That day is not today. :smile:

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    #26017945 - 05/28/19 10:00 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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And then I took a quick look on Amazon, and found what looks like a cool one. It's a 23 quart Presto. I decided that would be my starting point. I'd look at the specs, and figure out all the things to pay attention to (I seriously have no frame of reference when it comes to pressure cookers - I don't even think I've ever been in the same room as one).




DO NOT GET AN INSTANT POT. They do not hit 15psi, needed for this work. They will NOT hold enough space to fit your needs. You'll go mad trying to sterlize shit in there.

Thank GOD you found the 23quart Presto... That's pretty much the standard for this kind of work from a hobby level. Get one!

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I just dunked my 6 initial GT cakes. This will wind up being their fourth flush. They all smell good with the exception of one section of one cake.



4th flush is a lot! Good work.

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Not noticing a huge amount of movement with my shoebox experiment. A few bits have popped through the casing layer, but no obvious colonization of the rest of it. I know I'm going to be learning a lot here, and I'm not actually worried about anything as of yet, but kind of fighting that impatience. I can go the route where I don't even notice mushrooms growing, or I check them constantly. One day I might find a happy medium. That day is not today. :smile:



Remind me what's happening with this again?

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    #26019013 - 05/28/19 05:56 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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DO NOT GET AN INSTANT POT. They do not hit 15psi, needed for this work. They will NOT hold enough space to fit your needs. You'll go mad trying to sterlize shit in there.

Thank GOD you found the 23quart Presto... That's pretty much the standard for this kind of work from a hobby level. Get one!





Yeah, from just a cooking perspective, there were a few things that I didn't like about the Instant Pot. I just need to find some good recipes that I can cook too and I'll probably grab the Presto or something like it.

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4th flush is a lot! Good work.




Thanks. After the second flush, I used my plastic lids and started bottom watering. We'll see how it goes. I'm rinsing off the perlite tonight. I should find out in another week or two how that goes. I'd be stoked if I got 100g wet.

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Not noticing a huge amount of movement with my shoebox experiment. A few bits have popped through the casing layer, but no obvious colonization of the rest of it. I know I'm going to be learning a lot here, and I'm not actually worried about anything as of yet, but kind of fighting that impatience. I can go the route where I don't even notice mushrooms growing, or I check them constantly. One day I might find a happy medium. That day is not today. :smile:



Remind me what's happening with this again?




While I'm waiting for my new jars to colonize, I took 3 sad cakes (I was short on BRF on that one, so the cakes were not as dense as I had hoped - didn't even birth them) and grated them into cooked coir. I can't remember how much I actually harvested from them, but those are the ones in the picture I posted earlier. So no multiple flushes, but they were dried out a few times (and resurrected), and just kind of played with. I was going to toss them, but the better half said that would be mean, so I am giving those cakes another chance to impress me. So I'm kind of trying to keep my very first inoculation going. :smile:

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    #26020078 - 05/29/19 08:11 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Ah yes, cool cool. Keep up the good work :laugh:

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    #26022286 - 05/30/19 06:33 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Of my 12 jars, it appears that one has been found guilty, and has the Black Spot to prove it. This is my first confirmed contamination.

When I inoculated these jars, I wound up doing them in 2 batches. I don't have a pressure cooker, so I'm just using PF TEK and a regular pot. It only holds 9 in a single layer. I tracked the jar, the lid, and the syringe. And with the first batch, I went so far as to track the order I inoculated them. But I'll be damned, but I didn't track the order for the last 3 jars. It was jars 10, 11, and 12 in that last batch, and jar/lid 11/11 is the contaminated one. This kind of pisses me off, because now I don't know. I think I inoculated 11-10-12, and if that is the case, I feel I can safely say that the contamination came from initially putting the needle on the syringe. But I don't know for sure. I switched 3 syringes in the first batch, and there are currently no other signs of contamination. So there is a pretty good chance that I just rushed when I only had 3 jars to inoculate. But I know the jar, and I know the lid. This is the first use of this SHIP lid, so I'll keep an eye on it. I really don't think that's it, because of the location of the contamination, but until I get confirmation, the lid and jar go on a list with a status of "no success". If it happens again with the same lid or jar, I'll take a look. Again, I don't think it's likely.

I may have made one error, and we'll see how that affects things. I didn't put foil over the jars when I sterilized them. I don't remember how heavy they were when I put them in, but I did notice they were a bit heavy when I removed them. I wish I could have remembered, because I wonder if they got a bit more moisture.

You may be wondering why I haven't uploaded a picture of the contamination in order to confirm. While I have no clue what kind of contamination it is, I have no doubt that it is contamination. So the way I see it, I only have 2 options right now. I can toss the jar today, or just wait and see what happens. If I tossed it, that means I would have one usable 1/2 pint jar. It is not worth it to sterilize/pasteurize a single jar, so the jar is going to be there taking up the same amount of space whether it has something in it or not. So might as well just see what happens. I am setting up a camera today, and I will be doing a time lapse of the jars. The contamination is really neat looking, and does remind me of the black spot from pirate lore. It is getting bigger, so hopefully the time lapse will be really cool. I'll see how it looks with one day of 'footage', and if it's cool, I'll post it. Otherwise, I'll make it a longer time lapse. I'll turn it into a gif.

I might throw another camera on the shoe box. The mycelium is visibly spreading throughout the coir, and I've only misted it once in the past week.

Progress is being made. I'm stoked.

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    #26022648 - 05/30/19 09:56 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

So, you do know that all syringes are dirty right? It's pretty rare that a syringe doesn't have something clinging onto it, as there's just too many vectors to track in MS syringes. This is why spawn isn't considered clean until you grow it out on agar. It's entirely possible that this had nothing to do with you.

As for identifying your contam, here's two great threads for it:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23130868
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17231150 (for this one scroll down to "how it shouldn't look")

Honestly, I think you're getting a little hung up on your jar count. Just spread out what you got into even dispersal into containers and you'll be fine :smile:

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    #26023336 - 05/30/19 04:17 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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So, you do know that all syringes are dirty right? It's pretty rare that a syringe doesn't have something clinging onto it, as there's just too many vectors to track in MS syringes. This is why spawn isn't considered clean until you grow it out on agar. It's entirely possible that this had nothing to do with you.





Yeah, I know. I suppose I forgot to mention this part. It's a wee bit embarrassing. :smile: I am really, really, really bad with syringes. Meat injectors too. One of the things I wanted to make sure of was that I got a drop from inside before putting on the needle, and making sure I get a drop out the needle. For me, it was more of making sure I get methodical movements down. Due to the multiple cc's of spore solution that decorated my ceiling and walls, I still need work if I'm going to be pushing anything like a plunger. My finger has a hitch or something. It was just practice. And while I may write about it here, and it may seem extensive, it's really just practice. I am doing really well (which is honestly surprising) with not getting too caught up in details before I start on something. Which perfectly segues into this:

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Honestly, I think you're getting a little hung up on your jar count. Just spread out what you got into even dispersal into containers and you'll be fine :smile:




Yeah, re-reading it, I could make a valid case for going a bit overboard with detail. And that's not even mentioning the fact that I also track the syringe used, the needle used, the jar used, the inoculation port used, the ambient temperature and datetime of inoculation (I also have city based RH and barometric pressure, but even I thought that was going too far). It may sound like a lot of time and effort, but it's all just stuff I built into a little tracking tool. It actually takes less time to log all of this on my phone than it would to write out a time and make a couple of check boxes. Writing out the story, since I have the detail, I just include it.

And then I geeked out a little. Each of the 12 cakes also has a name. A name that is not in English, but in Elvish. Tolkien's Elvish to be exact. The contaminated cake is called Aglomben, meaning one who passes between two high walls.


I may have issues.

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As for identifying your contam, here's two great threads for it:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23130868
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17231150 (for this one scroll down to "how it shouldn't look")





Awesome!! I'll take a look and figure it out. Thanks for the help.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
    #26024401 - 05/31/19 07:28 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

You just sound like a data hound, no worries. If that's what's fun for you keep doing it.

Also, it's a shame you picked elvish names... you know they didn't all make it to the end :sad:

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    #26030040 - 06/03/19 08:19 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

In an almost scary moment of prescience, Shaper mentioned that 'all syringes are dirty'. It turns out to be a contaminated syringe, because all 3 jars inoculated with that syringe (2 different needles) have the Black Spot growing at the inoculation point. Granted, these 3 jars were also sterilized independently, so there is a possibility there. Since I do have mycelium growth in the jars, I'm going to hold on to them and see who wins.

Colonization of both the coir and the jars is moving a bit slower than I'd like, but it could be that I have no clue how long they actually take since I didn't pay any attention last time. Did a few experiments with timelapses, but they didn't turn out quite like I wanted. Plus the growth at this stage isn't super impressive as of yet. I think as it gets closer to fruiting, I will try again.

With my existing cakes, I think 2 have a bit of contamination, but the mycelium is still going strong on their fourth flush. I think I'll probably wind up with 3 cakes that make it to a 5th flush.

I'm planning on writing something up for the trip report forum, but long story short we went camping this weekend. I took 1.3g and she took .9g. It was super awesome.

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    #26032089 - 06/04/19 09:36 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

LOL, I mean, I've had so many problems with syringes since I started it's not even funny. It's just... when you even look at the procedure for how they're made, there's just too many points for contamination unless you use a total sterile environment the whole time you grow mushrooms, and almost no one has the ability to do that.

Anyways, this is why we use agar :wink:

Glad you're still learning a lot! Can't wait to see next steps.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
    #26033016 - 06/04/19 06:32 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Well huh. During the come down this weekend, as usually happens, a perspective shift. It's almost like a physical sensation. This time resulted in something interesting. As of yesterday, the better half and I have started putting all of our stuff up for sale. We're buying a sailboat, moving aboard, and leaving the country. Looks like things may turn psyconautical faster than I thought. And yes, since this is Shroomery, the one thing I intend to purchase before setting sail for the last time is a pressure cooker. :smile: I'm shooting for less than 4 weeks from today.

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    #26049609 - 06/13/19 07:15 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Cakes are getting dunked, and ready for their next flush. This is 5. Flush 4 yielded 73.92 wet grams. The contamination I had smelled on the cake lost its foothold, so all 6 are smelling good, and going for a 5th flush. This is awesome.

Also, my experimental Dub Tub (recap a couple posts above) with neglected cakes fruited a little. I got 19.71 g wet. There are more pins, and a few more fruits. This is awesome. I do know that I need to fan a bit more. I know FAE is normally a thing that happens mostly naturally, but I don't have a lot of air movement in my house. Even with rotating the top shoebox so there are gaps, I wind up with fuzzy feet. Just something to keep in mind. I did get a 3 day timelapse, but it didn't turn out great. I still might post it, but we'll see.

I know @MrPsychonaught uses lots of peroxide to fight off contamination, and it has worked out well for him. I didn't want to go that far, and it turned out I couldn't since I only had maybe a teaspoon of peroxide left in the container close by. I used it to give a little boost to Aglomben (the cake with the worst contamination), and while @ShaperDreaming correctly mentioned the elves don't make it, they fought hard. And my cake is living up to its name. There is still a bit of whatever contamination, but the mycelium appears to be winning. Maybe I should have named the cake Charlie Sheen. Now I feel like someone should make a brand of peroxide called Tiger's Blood, only for our own amusement. I have a slightly better timelapse of the battle, but I stopped too early. This stuff moves much faster at the very last step.

4 weeks was a bit too optimistic, but 6 may be doable. Garage sale this weekend, so we'll see how that goes. Got enough to get a survey completed on any boat in my desired range. And that is from selling things I got for free and used for years! Sold the chickens too.

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    #26049827 - 06/13/19 09:30 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

NOT THE CHICKENS!

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