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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: Durgin]
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Durgin said:
Just one piece of advice here: please don't trip on a boat! Mushrooms are generally quite safe themselves, but people can do very unsafe things, especially when high, and being surrounded by water increases the danger exponentially. Maybe if you were very experienced and took moderate doses the risk would be minimal, but since you say you're new to this... Please don't! You sound like a cool person, and it'd suck to see something bad happen.

Also, reading "How to Change Your Mind" is exactly what got me into this as well! Glad to see I'm not the only one.


Oh yeah. My interest as far as boats go is the actual cultivation aspect. I've got too much respect for the Ocean and the Mushroom to go that route (although I am working on narrowing a good microdose for me, and I could see that being a very positive thing. But yes, it's not something to be taken lightly. :smile: And again, this is going to be a while. No ocean in Colorado...but we did just manage to decriminalize mushrooms...so, yeah. :smile:

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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If you're just cultivating, I think Muda's bottle tek (use the search feature) is probably the most instability-resilient method - small closed containers, and if they tip the loss is minimal. (From my limited experience, though, prepare for loads of side pins. The mushrooms still work, just not that pretty and a pain to harvest.)

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: Durgin]
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Or Violet's in vitro tek, which is pretty similar but even more self contained and discrete (you never even take the lids off).

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: Durgin]
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I have both of those TEKs on my list. This isn't anywhere near enough to be a concern right now, but eventually maybe. The sailboat idea has been bubbling around the head pretty consistently for about 2 years. No real path forward right now, though. Just general research stages. I am super glad that people are interested in it, though.

I put this in the cultivation forum, because I initially started it as a bit of motivation to people who may about to do what I did and went down some rabbit holes before getting started. But now, there is all kinds of other stuff. I'll poke around a bit later, but if someone knows off the top of their head, what is the best way to post all of these disparate thoughts? Different thread for different subjects? Are journals used like that here? I'll search for the answer, and poke around to see how people use them, but just thought I'd start off by posting here.

I will admit, I'm contemplating big monos too, now. I watched a youtube clip from vice about one of the largest cultivation rooms in the country, and it was kind of cool to recognize the setup. Looks like the basic unmodified stuff with the lids upside down for FAE. Neat!

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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Looking good! Like the work you've laid out. I recommend a minimum of 1 myco-quart per shoebox, or you may get poor results. If you really want to stretch out our spawn to do 2 half-pint jars, I would recommend that you do a ratio of approx 1:4 (spawn:sub). It'll take longer to colonize, but you'll need the water from the coir to get good fruits.

thecynicalstoic said:
Also, I do know that the entire race difference of the same species of cubes isn't significant, but it's a data point I have. Plus, based on my heroic trip, I have some major curiosity about the potency. I'll post more elsewhere about that, but while it was a good 5 hours in silence, it seemed superficial. I don't have a frame of reference really, so I'm going to track what data I have, and see if it is my perception and reaction or what.


Variety is the common term you're looking for. And while I'd say for the most part that "a cube is a cube" there's exceptions that everyone admits. I personally am convinced potency is more related to isolation of good fruits at this point. . . which is hard to do because we don't have good way to test this without a whole lot of work on the front end.

thecynicalstoic said:
I will admit, I'm contemplating big monos too, now. I watched a youtube clip from vice about one of the largest cultivation rooms in the country, and it was kind of cool to recognize the setup. Looks like the basic unmodified stuff with the lids upside down for FAE. Neat!


LOL was this the place with the eyeball masks? That episode was a joke. If you poke around here there's some fun stories from when Hamilton was reaching out to people here sourcing locations to see grows.


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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: ShaperDreaming]
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ShaperDreaming said:
Looking good! Like the work you've laid out. I recommend a minimum of 1 myco-quart per shoebox, or you may get poor results. If you really want to stretch out our spawn to do 2 half-pint jars, I would recommend that you do a ratio of approx 1:4 (spawn:sub). It'll take longer to colonize, but you'll need the water from the coir to get good fruits.


Yeah, I glanced at the TEK, and did vastly underestimate the cakes required. It's okay for now I think. Maybe I'll skip the SGFC entirely, or maybe I'll skip the in vitro stuff (although I really liked the size of the fruits you got with that method). Or maybe it'll be a pain in the ass to find stuff for bulk (very very unlikely), and I'll wind up doing 6 in the SGFCs and 6 in vitro. I just finished drying the last bit from my second flush, and I have more than enough for personal consumption for sure now. So it's just a matter of what I think would be fun to do. I am pretty sure that something from these cakes will be what I use to isolate onto agar (I kind of like the specificity of cutting open a fruit and grabbing that mycelium - I did just glance at it very quickly, so I might be wrong and I'll check again later). I am correct in my assumption that the steps are exactly the same right until the week consolidation, right? Or am I missing something that will bite me in the ass later?


ShaperDreaming said:
Variety is the common term you're looking for. And while I'd say for the most part that "a cube is a cube" there's exceptions that everyone admits. I personally am convinced potency is more related to isolation of good fruits at this point. . . which is hard to do because we don't have good way to test this without a whole lot of work on the front end.




I literally had the Strain Questions thread open in another tab as I tried to identify the right terminology. My initial thought is that I should probably read that when I'm not super high. And also, I want to design a quick timeline thing, since that seems to be a major factor, and the source of my confusion. My understanding right now is as follows.

I received 2 varieties in multispore syringes. Each cake I inoculated wound up being its own Strain (without quotation marks). The fruits from a specific cake are a specific variety. And then if I isolate it with agar, that becomes a new duplicable Strain...no wait. Each cake (or whatever I wind up cloning to) still winds up being a unique Strain...shit. Okay, I have to look further into this and make a bit more sense of this all. I may have been overthinking it. I really want to use the correct mycological terminology. Variety does seem right. All of my syringes are the same Race, but two different varieties.


ShaperDreaming said:
thecynicalstoic said:
I will admit, I'm contemplating big monos too, now. I watched a youtube clip from vice about one of the largest cultivation rooms in the country, and it was kind of cool to recognize the setup. Looks like the basic unmodified stuff with the lids upside down for FAE. Neat!


LOL was this the place with the eyeball masks? That episode was a joke. If you poke around here there's some fun stories from when Hamilton was reaching out to people here sourcing locations to see grows.


I've watched VICE for some time, but just recently did YT start suggesting VICELAND videos, including Hamilton's Pharmacopeia, due to some references I was getting for someone about float tanks. I want to like him, but I just can't get into it. Although I have to admit, I thought the eye masks were very cool (even thought the pun he made was horrible). I don't think I like VICELAND. But, since he made that really bad pun, this might be a good time to talk about something else I've recently learned. It's actually recommended that you avoid getting into an argument with someone who knows a lot of bird puns. Toucan play at that game.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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OH YEAH, let's do this in-line shit. I see you know your way around forum coding.
thecynicalstoic said:
ShaperDreaming said:
Looking good! Like the work you've laid out. I recommend a minimum of 1 myco-quart per shoebox, or you may get poor results. If you really want to stretch out our spawn to do 2 half-pint jars, I would recommend that you do a ratio of approx 1:4 (spawn:sub). It'll take longer to colonize, but you'll need the water from the coir to get good fruits.


Yeah, I glanced at the TEK, and did vastly underestimate the cakes required. It's okay for now I think. Maybe I'll skip the SGFC entirely, or maybe I'll skip the in vitro stuff (although I really liked the size of the fruits you got with that method). Or maybe it'll be a pain in the ass to find stuff for bulk (very very unlikely), and I'll wind up doing 6 in the SGFCs and 6 in vitro. I just finished drying the last bit from my second flush, and I have more than enough for personal consumption for sure now. So it's just a matter of what I think would be fun to do. I am pretty sure that something from these cakes will be what I use to isolate onto agar (I kind of like the specificity of cutting open a fruit and grabbing that mycelium - I did just glance at it very quickly, so I might be wrong and I'll check again later). I am correct in my assumption that the steps are exactly the same right until the week consolidation, right? Or am I missing something that will bite me in the ass later?


I'd skip the invitro stuff for now. I only use it when I have less than a myco-quart of spawn... I haven't done it in like 9 months now? Those fruit sizes aren't average either, there's a reason I cloned that one

:rollsafe:

The bulk stuff, you just mean coir? Just do straight coir, bucket tek from bod (see my signature if you need a link). You can order that shit from anywhere for cheap. A few people use CHEWY (yes, the pet supply place) and if you buy in bulk you get a discount and free shipping? Something like that, people tend to order like 5x650g bricks. Also, aparently wally world has massive bricks cheap af (I don't have one near me). If you have a scale and want to break up huge blocks of coir for weight, just use a hammer and screwdriver. It'll be in pieces in minutes (I tried many other stupid methods, don't bother :lol: ).

As for cloning, this video will make you feel like it's the simplest thing in the world... and it kinda is (unless it's really dirty, then it's kinda a pain in the ass to clean up).



What do you mean when you say "the steps are exactly the same"? What are we comparing it to?

thecynicalstoic said:
ShaperDreaming said:
Variety is the common term you're looking for. And while I'd say for the most part that "a cube is a cube" there's exceptions that everyone admits. I personally am convinced potency is more related to isolation of good fruits at this point. . . which is hard to do because we don't have good way to test this without a whole lot of work on the front end.




I literally had the Strain Questions thread open in another tab as I tried to identify the right terminology. My initial thought is that I should probably read that when I'm not super high. And also, I want to design a quick timeline thing, since that seems to be a major factor, and the source of my confusion. My understanding right now is as follows.

I received 2 varieties in multispore syringes. Each cake I inoculated wound up being its own Strain (without quotation marks). The fruits from a specific cake are a specific variety. And then if I isolate it with agar, that becomes a new duplicable Strain...no wait. Each cake (or whatever I wind up cloning to) still winds up being a unique Strain...shit. Okay, I have to look further into this and make a bit more sense of this all. I may have been overthinking it. I really want to use the correct mycological terminology. Variety does seem right. All of my syringes are the same Race, but two different varieties.


If we're talking cubes:

Kingdom: Fungi
Division: Basidiomycota
Class: Agaricomycetes
Order: Agaricales
Family: Hymenogastraceae
Genus: Psilocybe
Species:  Cubensis

Below that what you have are vendor varieties (i.e. marketing names). Like "Golden Teacher" and "Penis Envy" are varieties.

Every time two spores meet and germinate into monokarotic hyphae, each hyphae is a "strain". So every agar plate from MS syringes is ... a HUGE amount of strains. Pasty does a more in-depth job of explaining this.


thecynicalstoic said:
ShaperDreaming said:
thecynicalstoic said:
I will admit, I'm contemplating big monos too, now. I watched a youtube clip from vice about one of the largest cultivation rooms in the country, and it was kind of cool to recognize the setup. Looks like the basic unmodified stuff with the lids upside down for FAE. Neat!


LOL was this the place with the eyeball masks? That episode was a joke. If you poke around here there's some fun stories from when Hamilton was reaching out to people here sourcing locations to see grows.


I've watched VICE for some time, but just recently did YT start suggesting VICELAND videos, including Hamilton's Pharmacopeia, due to some references I was getting for someone about float tanks. I want to like him, but I just can't get into it. Although I have to admit, I thought the eye masks were very cool (even thought the pun he made was horrible). I don't think I like VICELAND. But, since he made that really bad pun, this might be a good time to talk about something else I've recently learned. It's actually recommended that you avoid getting into an argument with someone who knows a lot of bird puns. Toucan play at that game.




I've come around to liking Hamilton though :heart:


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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: ShaperDreaming]
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ShaperDreaming said:
OH YEAH, let's do this in-line shit. I see you know your way around forum coding.


It's easier here than a couple of other forums I use. This is just a text field. I'm actually used to doing them with unix timestamps that link to a specific message with a unique ID (base SMF install).

ShaperDreaming said:
I'd skip the invitro stuff for now. I only use it when I have less than a myco-quart of spawn... I haven't done it in like 9 months now? Those fruit sizes aren't average either, there's a reason I cloned that one


I'll be honest, all the in vitro stuff I did or plan to do is because the mushrooms that fruit are super pretty. Seriously, it's just that and experience. So not a huge priority.

ShaperDreaming said:
The bulk stuff, you just mean coir?


What do you mean when you say "the steps are exactly the same"? What are we comparing it to?


I mean coir and the containers when I say bulk stuff. I should probably be more specific, because that makes it sound like I have more than a single trip to make to actually get the stuff. I think I'll do the CVG (coir, verm, gypsum) methodology for the substrate, based on the Bucket TEK link in your methodologies. I might actually go to Walmart. Only stepped foot inside of one once in the past 10 years.

And when I say the steps are the same, I mean that no matter if I do the SGFC, a mono, a shoebox, or in vitro, they will all start with me inoculating 1/2 pint jars and waiting until it looks to be 100% colonized (but before the consolidation for SGFC). I definitely have to inoculate all 12 jars I have, regardless of what route I go after that. All of this is based on Bod's Easy AF cheapest way to get started TEK or regular PF TEK (which might actually be on that same page, but I don't feel like scrolling down - seems way easier to type out a lengthy explanation of my laziness).

ShaperDreaming said:


I've come around to liking Hamilton though :heart:



Thanks for the pasty link. I'll dig into that a bit later. And I really like your list of TEKs you use. I bookmarked it, and will probably comment in there just so it shows up in mythreads. And that shirt? Yeah, that'll be the next one I buy. The last one I bought just got retired at the GoT premier. Almost time for another. And I'll give Hamilton some more chances if you say he grows on you. I'm halfway through the first hallucinogenic frogs one on Hamilton's YT Playlist.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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thecynicalstoic said:
I'll be honest, all the in vitro stuff I did or plan to do is because the mushrooms that fruit are super pretty. Seriously, it's just that and experience. So not a huge priority.


Fuck yeah do it. Honestly if you stick with the hobby past your second grow you'll likely figure out a way to move up to grains, so do it all while you're still working with cakes.

thecynicalstoic said:
I mean coir and the containers when I say bulk stuff. I should probably be more specific, because that makes it sound like I have more than a single trip to make to actually get the stuff. I think I'll do the CVG (coir, verm, gypsum) methodology for the substrate, based on the Bucket TEK link in your methodologies. I might actually go to Walmart. Only stepped foot inside of one once in the past 10 years.


So, do yourself a solid and just go with 100% coir. The other stuff is nice, but it's way less complicated to just go straight coir. Doing that and ditching mono's for shoeboxes only were the two best decisions I made in simplifying this hobby for myself.

For containers, I love these shoeboxes at Target. But target I've never seen carry coir bricks. Petco does though :wink:

thecynicalstoic said:
And when I say the steps are the same, I mean that no matter if I do the SGFC, a mono, a shoebox, or in vitro, they will all start with me inoculating 1/2 pint jars and waiting until it looks to be 100% colonized (but before the consolidation for SGFC). I definitely have to inoculate all 12 jars I have, regardless of what route I go after that. All of this is based on Bod's Easy AF cheapest way to get started TEK or regular PF TEK (which might actually be on that same page, but I don't feel like scrolling down - seems way easier to type out a lengthy explanation of my laziness).


Yes, so I like to block out these steps for myself because I like categories:

Pre-Grains/spawn. This involves all the work getting good mycelium ready for grains. Getting prints/syringes ready, agar work, Liquid Culture work, etc. All of this is done pre-grains.

Grain/Spawn: At this point there's really only one vector for contam (if you've done the pre-grains work of cleaning your spawn) and that's bad grain prep. At this point you should basically inoculate your grains with the clean spawn and wait for 100% colonization.

Growing Conditions: This includes all things to do for the final phase before harvest. Prepping your bins, getting your substrate pasturized/sterlized/bucket-tek-ed, etc. When you mix the spawn with the substrate all you should need to do is wait for colonizing then fruiting. If you've done it right this phase should be mostly set-and-forget with as little maintnance as possible. Shoeboxes are much easier to get right than needing to dial in modified-monos.

That's about it. You may fiddle around with how you do each phase of this (like you may just buy a MS syringe for the first phase, then use it to inoculate BRF cakes for the second step, then just put a baggy and verm on top for the invitro phase. OR get super technical, go ms->agar->LC->test on agar again for phase one, then go with intensive grain prep, then spawn it all out to a tray in a self sufficient martha), but they all happen every time. Harvest is the only step not included.

Did this answer your question or was I missing the target.

thecynicalstoic said:
Thanks for the pasty link. I'll dig into that a bit later. And I really like your list of TEKs you use. I bookmarked it, and will probably comment in there just so it shows up in mythreads. And that shirt? Yeah, that'll be the next one I buy. The last one I bought just got retired at the GoT premier. Almost time for another. And I'll give Hamilton some more chances if you say he grows on you. I'm halfway through the first hallucinogenic frogs one on Hamilton's YT Playlist.


Aw thanks! Much appreciated. Yeah, I don't have that shirt, but I got a tote with it... I can't find the link, but it's a commonly stolen image, I'm sure you'll find a place that carries it.

Damn! Those are all Pre-Hamilton's Pharmacopia on VICE. I've only seen a couple of those, mostly I watched his show on VICELAND. Thanks for the link. And I don't know if he grows on you... but I just love the content so much I learned to dislike him less?


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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: ShaperDreaming]
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ShaperDreaming said:
So, do yourself a solid and just go with 100% coir. The other stuff is nice, but it's way less complicated to just go straight coir. Doing that and ditching mono's for shoeboxes only were the two best decisions I made in simplifying this hobby for myself.

For containers, I love these shoeboxes at Target. But target I've never seen carry coir bricks. Petco does though :wink:


Oooh. You know what? I have to make a run for chicken food today at Big R. I'm going to see if they carry it. Damn. They don't carry it, but they do have the containers. Might be an extra productive run today. Chicken Feed for about a month and a half, resulting in lots of eggs (I only have 6 chickens, but they are going gangbusters this year), some delicious licorice, and some shoeboxes (if they are as cheap as the target ones you linked...otherwise I might go to target). And I actually have a petco in the same shopping center as a target. Efficiency!!

As far as just the coir, is that due to simplicity or cost? I was only thinking about the addition of Verm and Gypsum because I have a bunch of it, so the upfront cost is already taken care of.

ShaperDreaming said:
Yes, so I like to block out these steps for myself because I like categories:

Pre-Grains/spawn. This involves all the work getting good mycelium ready for grains. Getting prints/syringes ready, agar work, Liquid Culture work, etc. All of this is done pre-grains.

Grain/Spawn: At this point there's really only one vector for contam (if you've done the pre-grains work of cleaning your spawn) and that's bad grain prep. At this point you should basically inoculate your grains with the clean spawn and wait for 100% colonization.

Growing Conditions: This includes all things to do for the final phase before harvest. Prepping your bins, getting your substrate pasturized/sterlized/bucket-tek-ed, etc. When you mix the spawn with the substrate all you should need to do is wait for colonizing then fruiting. If you've done it right this phase should be mostly set-and-forget with as little maintnance as possible. Shoeboxes are much easier to get right than needing to dial in modified-monos.
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Did this answer your question or was I missing the target.


You didn't miss the mark at all, and that was pretty much it. So I guess using that terminology, the only differences in my current plan is growing conditions, and I've got time to nail that down.



ShaperDreaming said:
Damn! Those are all Pre-Hamilton's Pharmacopia on VICE. I've only seen a couple of those, mostly I watched his show on VICELAND. Thanks for the link. And I don't know if he grows on you... but I just love the content so much I learned to dislike him less?


Oh, so this is his early stuff. I remember a few lines that had some potential, but fell flat. If he moved to the main VICE channel, I'd assume he got better.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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thecynicalstoic said:
As far as just the coir, is that due to simplicity or cost? I was only thinking about the addition of Verm and Gypsum because I have a bunch of it, so the upfront cost is already taken care of.


Simplicity. Everything you add is a vector for contam. KISS (keep it simple ... stupid :tongue: ) and cut out anything you can.

thecynicalstoic said:
You didn't miss the mark at all, and that was pretty much it. So I guess using that terminology, the only differences in my current plan is growing conditions, and I've got time to nail that down.


I wouldn't use that terminology anywhere else :lol: I just made it up for you here and now, so that's not standard outside of "growing conditions," which I stole from Bod:

Bod said:
I now make no distinction between colonization conditions and fruiting conditions. I just chose to call it
Growing Conditions
My tubs do not dry out being in "fruiting conditions" during "colonization"
My yields have stayed the same. My time to full colonization has decreased as has the time to pinning and harvest.
I have always had exposed top grains, doing "fruiting conditions" immediately has not caused an issue even with exposed grains.


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thecynicalstoic said:
Oh, so this is his early stuff. I remember a few lines that had some potential, but fell flat. If he moved to the main VICE channel, I'd assume he got better.


Yeah, the two that I've seen that are on that list were not as well put together as his main channel show.

PS: I wish I had chickens


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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: ShaperDreaming]
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Chickens are easy, cheap, fun, and the eggs are delicious. I suggest it for everyone (I mean this literally...I haven't found a situation where they wouldn't work, although apartments can be tricky). I can confirm that if chickens eat wet cubes, they don't seem to trip, and their eggs are not psychedelic. :frown:

Holy crap the gardening section of wal-mart has gotten crazy with stuff. I could see it being cool if I could get over the ethical concerns. I've got coir, and 4 of the standard shoebox things. Less than $5 for the containers, and $5.88 for the coir. So there is nothing stopping me except my procrastination.

I didn't feel like I needed a push, but I feel that you gave me one @Shaper, and I appreciate it.

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thecynicalstoic said:
Chickens are easy, cheap, fun, and the eggs are delicious. I suggest it for everyone (I mean this literally...I haven't found a situation where they wouldn't work, although apartments can be tricky). I can confirm that if chickens eat wet cubes, they don't seem to trip, and their eggs are not psychedelic. :frown:

Holy crap the gardening section of wal-mart has gotten crazy with stuff. I could see it being cool if I could get over the ethical concerns. I've got coir, and 4 of the standard shoebox things. Less than $5 for the containers, and $5.88 for the coir. So there is nothing stopping me except my procrastination.

I didn't feel like I needed a push, but I feel that you gave me one @Shaper, and I appreciate it.


Yeah, I'll have chickens when I have land. Should be a couple of years.

I'm disapointed that you won't be doing a psychadelic egg tek :sad:

And, woot! You're almost there lol. I've been called a bad influence before, so I guess I'm good at encouraging people to do things they don't need any help getting done :lol:

If you have any specific questions for me ever feel free to hit up my :pm:, but I monitor shit pretty well and will likely find your questions anyways. Also, I'm far from perfect here, I'm sure that some of the better cultivators have kinda let this thread turn into an obscure 1-on-1 conversation between us. So don't be afraid to ask for advice in outside of this thread.

I'm a big fan of the "Cultivation General Discussion" thread for getting your little questions looked at by a lot of people quickly while participating in a larger conversation :thumbup:

Can't wait to see pics of your grows. Also, I just want to make sure I've linked you to this already right?


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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: ShaperDreaming] * 1
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ShaperDreaming said:
Can't wait to see pics of your grows. Also, I just want to make sure I've linked you to this already right?


You have now!! I hadn't seen that before. I'm sure I'll be referring to it here soon. Thanks!

As far as pictures go, I'm a bit gunshy hotlinking to hosted ones here. My pics are too high res to upload (512k limit right now), and I don't want to get in trouble. :smile:

I'm a moron. I do have some photos that will fit. This is one of the photos I took of my experimental in vitro jars.



Like I said...pretty. :smile:

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic] * 1
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Just finished dunking my 6 GT cakes and rinsing off the perlite for both of my SGFCs. Flush 3 is officially started. I do believe I've changed my mind on the 4 B+ in vitro jars I have remaining. After I confirmed I could get pretty mushrooms with this method, I kind of just let them sit. I didn't mist them, nor did I close the bag back over them. I started skipping some of the misting on my SGFCs last flush too, just because I thought I may have been overmisting them (fuzzy mycelium). Sure enough, they fruited pretty well. And then my little in vitro jars started pushing up more mushroom. It's a resilient little bit of mycelium. I was going to throw it in the compost, since I need the jars tomorrow, but the better half mentioned something about that not being very nice. She said it jokingly, but I realized that she was right. I am invested in these cakes and I want them to succeed. So while I wait for my next 12 cakes to colonize, I'm going to take these cakes and grate them for a shoebox with coir. All using stuff I have already. This idea seems right. Did take a recreational trip yesterday with the better half and watched Avatar and Cirque Du Soleil Worlds Away. If was a grand old time, but did put off my next round of inoculation of BRF cakes. Worth it.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic] * 1
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thecynicalstoic said:
Worth it.


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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: ShaperDreaming]
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I had a dream last night that may result in trying to create a new TEK. I haven't searched around for something like it, so there might be something out there already, but I haven't seen it. There are a few different observations that I think all coalesced into this idea. I'll do my best to mention all of the disparate parts, along with my rough idea I may pursue.

  • One of the tenders at my dispensary mentioned trying to put spores or something into their indoor flower bed, so that on occasion, it just fruits. Mostly for a hidden aesthetic.
  • I read this WIRED article about Ecovative Designs.
  • For the past 15 years or so, I've been pretty involved in small scale polyculture methodologies (like aquaponics and the like).
  • Last year I mounted extra gutters to the rail of my deck, filled them with potting soil, and tried to do an herb garden. I ran into issues with nutrition and moisture retention, so I've started looking at how to make sure a shallow container works for herbs and the like.


These things coalesced into thinking about a hanging plant of some kind. I'm thinking something that enjoys a lot of moisture, like a fern or spider plant. The idea is to create a mycelium cake with a hollow middle (think angel food cake pan, with a bigger hole in the middle), figure out a good recipe for moisture in a potted plant (maybe layer of perlite, layer of verm, mycelium, roots of the plant in the hole in the middle of the mycelium, and potting soil (maybe a bit of coir too). I think a tent of some kind is needed to maintain high local humidity conditions. Just need to figure out a way to make it look good. This may be unrealistic, and it's early. Seems like an interesting idea. It's funny that I received a comment about that picture above (that does show up for everyone, right?) regarding the greenery surrounding it. That wasn't on purpose, but this idea I have would have something similar, and it would be on purpose. A decorative hanging plant in your house, adding some greenery, with occasional gifts of mind expanding goodness.

Don't worry if this is completely ridiculous. It was just a dream, and I am just learning. But a fun idea.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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Well, I dump grain that I'm not happy with (usually bacterial) into my potted plants. The problem is that cubes don't really like soil. So, I get some silly fruits now and then, but it's kinda a pain in the ass. If you're going to do this you may want to find a different mushroom first that likes soil, or try to cut in enough materials that something else likes that plants also like (such as manure with pans or something). Good luck!


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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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I was going to spend some time writing in here this morning, but I ran out of time. I will say that hearing Bill Nye say fuck brightens up my day an unquantifiable amount.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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So I've still been slacking off on inoculation. Been busy at work, and hurting when I come home, so not really feeling it. It will be this weekend. On Monday though, I was walking past the table, and saw my extra materials (including PF TEK lids) sitting there, along with RTV, on top of the tyvek painters uniform. So I thought to myself, "screw it, let's do this", and upgraded the remaining metal lids. I'm also getting used to using the plastic lids (unmodified) as a bottom watering system in my SGFCs. I read somewhere that the first flush is on average 3/4 of total yield, which if that holds true, the fruiting should be slowing down a lot. On my first flush, I wound up with ~303g wet (I didn't have a super accurate scale for the first flush) for flush 1, and 228.21g wet on the second flush. 16g wet came from my 4 in vitro jars, and all the rest came off of my 6 GT cakes in my tiny SGFCs (although first and second flush had them 6 to an FC, and now they are 3 to an FC.

The term psychonautical is sticking with me. I really freaking like it.

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