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That whole "just start it already" thing really works!!
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Why hello there Shroomery. I'm here. I'll admit, it took me a while to join. There is really good information here, but holy hell there is a lot of stuff. It was overwhelming. I'm still learning my way around here, so if I screw up and post something in the wrong place, please let me know. I have read through the rules enough to be confident that this particular thread should be okay. I don't know if I'll want to break out some of the behind the scenes story, where my interest came from, and what I've found so far, but I'll play it by ear.

Long story short, burned down my life about 5 years ago. After reading How To Change Your Mind, I started digging more into psychedelics. I decided to go for it. I'm not the most sociable of people, but I tried to source some from every single person I knew. Nada. Then I started thinking about cultivation. Using reddit as a launching pad, I discovered specific links to TEKs here, and other resources. I wound up getting a couple of syringes (B+ & GT), and decided to check out PF TEK, which was mentioned in a few other resources. I read way too much, including the much vaunted 'just get started already', but eventually followed Pf tek done right TEK with 5 1/2 pint jars (I still haven't seen anyone mention that with Bell Jars, Wide Mouth and Regular Mouth are absolute sizes, not relative to the jar...regular mouth 1/2 jars do not taper!!). I left them on the windowsill, knowing that the room was too cold for ideal conditions, and they would take a while to colonize. After a couple of weeks, I wound up also reading Fast, easy, fool proof inoculation and made SHIPs on the remaining 7 of my lids. I inoculated 6 of them (all of this is BRF), but this time threw them on top of the fridge just to see if they would colonize significantly faster (answer: yes).

You know how it's often mentioned not to look too often at your cakes? Yeah, I took that way too seriously. I didn't see 100% inoculation for a while. Turns out I didn't actually mix up the verm and the BRF all that well, and the parts that weren't colonized didn't have any BRF (learned that later). It wasn't until I thought there may be some contamination that I looked a bit closer. It was a freaking pin. I waited way longer than necessary. So birthed, dunked, and rolled. I made an SGFC out of a 14qt Bella container (from Family Dollar). All 6 GT cakes wound up in there. Since I obviously messed up the BRF ratio really bad with the first 5 B+ cakes, I considered them experimental. One cake I put outside in an almost suitable location just to see what happens. The other 4 I wrapped in cardboard and put in the plastic produce bags misted with the top twisted. Super low tech.

It seemed pretty cramped with 6 cakes in that small SGFC, so I had the better half help me with another one. She used a soldering iron (smaller holes) and wound up spacing them at 1".

My first flush from the 6 GTs resulted in ~303 grams wet, and 34 dried grams (using a food dehydrator). By weight, it seems like the mushrooms should have been wet, but even when I did a short dehydration session (4 hours) and only removed 80/6% of water weight, they were cracker dry. I had to be careful picking them up, because they'd just break apart if I squeezed too hard. The in vitro B+ did wind up fruiting, and the mushrooms were very pretty (kind of one of the goals for these experiments). Wound up with about 15 wet grams from 4 1/2 pint jars.

I just got back from the store, and came back with 4lbs of brown rice. I'll be doing 6 more BRF cakes, and then I'm going to try the broke boi TEK spawning to whole brown rice. Haven't decided on a bulk TEK as of yet.

My goal was a single session, and I took a 5.41g dose (and got a more accurate scale!!) in darkness. I even have enough to try my hand at micro-dosing, just to see how it goes. So why am I trying another TEK? Why am I redoing the TEK I did before? I can tell you exactly what happened, and when. I was misting 2x/day, and it was the morning of the second day (3rd misting ever) that it happened. I sprayed the very first time, and suddenly the smell hit me. I hadn't seen it mentioned. But it was like an old friend, reminding me of little spots I've found on hikes and bike rides. That moment was when it became about the cultivation, with the yield being a happy side effect. The fruiting was so cool to watch. I started viewing the entire thing as a game of risk, where I can only control the map to give my mycelium army every advantage. Folks, I kill mint. And I pulled this off. I am hooked. I started fantasizing about oysters and morels and shiitakes (I've heard the fruiting is kind of odd on that one) and azures and cyans. So I want to make sure I can do BRF cakes properly, just for my own edification. I want to do some kind of bulk tek because I had no clue it was possible without a pressure cooker, and I want to do it. I've got the bug. I haven't worked out the math yet, but I think it would be awesome to spend 3 months a year in extensive cultivation of mushrooms of all kinds to provide me with enough mushrooms of all kinds for all my needs for the year. No idea if that's realistic, but it's not close enough to bother worrying about.

So I guess that's why I'm here. Always looking to learn, always looking to get better, always looking to help those I can. I have fuzzy mycelium on my cakes, and I need to narrow down what causes it (I'm pretty sure it's something about misting), I need to figure out what the average size of cubes are (which I think is based on so many different variables, I probably won't get an accurate number), because there might be a bit of insecurity about the length and girth of my mushrooms. :smile:

Glad to be here.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic] * 1
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Hi, welcome.

I see you're using TEKs that are 9 years old. They should produce results, as you've seen, but they're more complicated than they need to be. For example, with brf cakes there's no need to use SHIPs

So! Let me help you cut through the bullshit. Start here. Here is a recommend Easy AF Way to get started.

Also, as someone who came here from Reddit, I recommend staying away from there. There's no way to really gauge if anyone knows what they're saying, and a good majority of the information is either outdated or wrong.

Best of luck!

Also, that brown rice tek may work, but honestly you're safer just making BRF cakes and then shredding them to bulk.


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My Shoebox Factory Beginner's Tek | Shoebox Assembly Tek | Methodology/teks I use | How I Store Bulk Items

Edited by ShaperDreaming (05/06/19 02:45 PM)

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: ShaperDreaming]
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Yeah, I knew some of them were old. I just recently found that Easy AF series (including the updated Broke Boi TEK) and have it bookmarked. I'm using that to cook my rice (I have to look up how to cook rice at my altitude...I've used a rice cooker exclusively for years) to the proper not-quite-doneness.

As far as the SHIPs, I honestly had the stuff laying around, and decided to try inoculation without a SAB. I didn't think it was needed for BRF cakes more than for inoculation. And yeah, I know that I probably won't wind up using a spore solution moving forward, so it's a moot point I think. I even have 12 brand new plastic lids that I haven't decided what to do with yet.

Thanks for the recommendation to stay away from reddit. I am getting more and more familiar with the search functionality, but those links you sent are a great addition. Appreciate it!

Edit: Oh cool, you added that shredded cake stuff afterwards. I'm not going crazy!! That is actually really cool. I may try just 2 jars then with the Brown Rice, as comparison.

Edited by thecynicalstoic (05/06/19 02:54 PM)

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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Yup! Get cracking on AGAR before everyone tells you to start using agar :wink:


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My Shoebox Factory Beginner's Tek | Shoebox Assembly Tek | Methodology/teks I use | How I Store Bulk Items

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: ShaperDreaming]
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I love the idea of using agar to be more precise and get more data so much. I will most assuredly do it. I am actually quite interested in the...uh...tilted test tube long term storage thing too.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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Slants, yeah.

And agar work is the only way that we can come close to guaranteeing we have clean spawn in this hobby. So, the only way to safely move up to grain is to start with agar, get a clean plate, transfer to grains, grow mushrooms!


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My Shoebox Factory Beginner's Tek | Shoebox Assembly Tek | Methodology/teks I use | How I Store Bulk Items

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: ShaperDreaming]
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The future is murky, but my ultimate goal would be something along the lines of a full cultivation setup that can be on a < 42ft sailboat, and collapsed down when not in use. I like the idea of overcoming crazy changing weather based on where the boat is, low power usage (even for storage of slants), and discretion.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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That's going to make a SAB pretty challenging. I live in a 500sf studio and make it work though, so the space should be enough, but damn, a sail boat!


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My Shoebox Factory Beginner's Tek | Shoebox Assembly Tek | Methodology/teks I use | How I Store Bulk Items

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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thecynicalstoic said:
The future is murky, but my ultimate goal would be something along the lines of a full cultivation setup that can be on a < 42ft sailboat, and collapsed down when not in use. I like the idea of overcoming crazy changing weather based on where the boat is, low power usage (even for storage of slants), and discretion.


Ooh, Psychonautical


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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: StrohngBahd]
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you got me with the 42 foot sail boat bit. I love sailing. I had a twenty three foot ranger out in the blue for four months and have thought a lot about the logistics of growing while living aboard. What about coast guard walk ons though?


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Masters and slaves hunting clones        How not to isolate (it worked, but)


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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: ShaperDreaming]
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ShaperDreaming said:
That's going to make a SAB pretty challenging. I live in a 500sf studio and make it work though, so the space should be enough, but damn, a sail boat!


This is very interesting... In this situation creating a SAB would be quite challenging, and perhaps unnecessary?

How far out do you plan on floating? I am thinking the further out you go, the less likely there is going to be anything at all in the air (contaminant wise). May be some research on air quality at sea. I'll see what I can find.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: golden-student]
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Have you ever been in rough water? I can see mush, substrate and spawn flying all over the place if not locked down some how.

I really doubt that air out there isn't contammed. It is probably less though. That's an interesting thought.


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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: verum subsequentis]
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Scientists use sab in nature, like woods rainforest ect, I doubt being on a boat is going to affect your sab work.


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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: golden-student]
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Section 8 makes me think I am wrong.

sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.pocean.2012.08.004

Good luck setting up your at-sea lab!

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: golden-student]
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I'm not even sure what ocean I will wind up on. The idea is super immature. I do believe that I would start off by growing edible and gourmet mushrooms. Anything mind expanding would be a one off thing. Assuming PF TEK (since that's the only one I have experience with so far), I could envision the cakes being ready to birth about 2 days into a 23 day Atlantic crossing, resulting in a couple of flushes before I even hit landfall.

Since right now, I'm just getting more comfortable with the different TEKs, I'm in the experimentation phase. For mono tubs or a shoebox, I can see some kind of gimbaled table, or perhaps a locked tub with enough FAE so that it's secure, won't spill, but still work. It's all a ways away. I do know that the high humidity on a boat requires some pretty standard upkeep to keep the mold at bay, so I imagine it would be even more of a pain from a myco standpoint. I have been lucky/anal-retentive/paranoid and haven't wound up getting any contamination, so no firsthand knowledge on that aspect.

I have thought about some kind of collapsible SAB, with threaded holes that allow me to close the arm holes, and use it for regular storage, or collapse 6 sides into a skinny little section.

I am super glad that folks are interested in the idea of a boat. That will be in the back of my mind with these further experiments, but it's not even a real goal yet (I have allotted 6 months on the water initially to figure out logistics, whenever that happens).

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: MH5109]
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MH5109 said:
Scientists use sab in nature, like woods rainforest ect, I doubt being on a boat is going to affect your sab work.


Yeah, but nature like that isn't throwing you around and usually they're not in wide open wind flows like on the water. I used to work on boats, and while I'm sure it would/could work, you'd have to wait for the perfect day then *BAM* get to fucking work in your SAB.

As for edibles/gourmet. I recommend looking into doing work in bags. Less likely to fly around. Also possibly straw logs for oysters, you could probably lash them in place from the top and the bottom to handle heavier seas.


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My Shoebox Factory Beginner's Tek | Shoebox Assembly Tek | Methodology/teks I use | How I Store Bulk Items

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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So, with the excellent links provided by @ShaperDreaming, I am making a plan for this next batch. I have 12 1/2 pint jars, 7 metal SHIP lids, 5 regular PF metal lids (4 inoculation holes), 12 unmodified plastic lids, B+ and GT spore syringes, verm, gypsum, perlite, and 2 14 qt clear SGFCs with blue tinted lids.

After thinking about it a bit, I'm not going to do the whole brown rice to bulk (old reddit broke boi to bulk tek), since it looks like a simpler method (that I'm already more familiar with) just doing the cakes.

Cakes will be made following the Updated PF-Tek Guide, although I need to do a bit of research on the role of gypsum, since I have some.

6 GT
  3 SHIP lids
  3 PF lids
6 B+
  4 SHIP lids
  2 PF lids

Afterwards, I still need to get things narrowed down. I don't think I'm doing a full mono right now. So 1 shoebox of GT and 1 shoebox of B+ (I think it's one cake per shoebox, but I need to confirm), 3 cakes of each in my tiny SGFC (TSGFC?) with B+ in the standard hole spacing and size, and GT in the SGFC with smaller holes closer together. The remaining 4 jars (2 B+ 2 GT) I am going to do a version of Bod's Easy AF cheapest way to get started TEK for fruiting them. I did the in vitro method with my B+ weak mycelium based on a book (I think it was Paul Stamets, but I'll find the title later) mostly because they mentioned the mushrooms wound up pretty. I haven't even dried the ones I've harvested, but I did get some pictures, and they were beautiful. So I'll be doing that again based on the TEK above, with 2 important differences. I'm not going to be using sandwich bags, I'll be using produce bags, and probably tape a kabob stick to the jars to keep the thinner plastic upright.

Also, I do know that the entire race difference of the same species of cubes isn't significant, but it's a data point I have. Plus, based on my heroic trip, I have some major curiosity about the potency. I'll post more elsewhere about that, but while it was a good 5 hours in silence, it seemed superficial. I don't have a frame of reference really, so I'm going to track what data I have, and see if it is my perception and reaction or what.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic]
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One cake per shoe box will not get you where you want to be. I would go 4 cakes shredded and mixed with one quart coir and vermiculite per box.


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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: Professor X]
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Ah, okay. I haven't checked that TEK at all yet, so I was just guessing. I honestly didn't think bulk was possible until relatively recently. I thought you had to have a pressure cooker. Well, perhaps I'll use 8 cakes for the shoeboxes and do the in jar stuff. And then maybe use those jars to do the next test with 2 cakes each in the SGFC and TSGFC. Depends on when I wind up getting coir. Haven't looked at all yet.

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Re: That whole "just start it already" thing really works!! [Re: thecynicalstoic] * 1
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Just one piece of advice here: please don't trip on a boat! Mushrooms are generally quite safe themselves, but people can do very unsafe things, especially when high, and being surrounded by water increases the danger exponentially. Maybe if you were very experienced and took moderate doses the risk would be minimal, but since you say you're new to this... Please don't! You sound like a cool person, and it'd suck to see something bad happen.

Also, reading "How to Change Your Mind" is exactly what got me into this as well! Glad to see I'm not the only one.

Edited by Durgin (05/08/19 08:13 PM)

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