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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: qman]
    #25975729 - 05/06/19 12:50 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

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I won't debate ZOG because the burden is upon the person making the assertion and that's not worth it from my perspective.

What I will debate is that the discussion of Jewish influence (whatever the degree it may actually be in the real world) isn't open for debate today.



Okay, I can agree with this topic.

I guess the next step is to decide who will be the arbitrator(s). Do you have any suggestions for who would be unbiased in this debate? I feel Tantrika and MagicMush123 have shown themselves to be sufficiently non-partisan.

And any preference on how many rounds of rebuttals? I would suggest two.


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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #25975769 - 05/06/19 01:11 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

I volunteer to moderate


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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: YangSupporter]
    #25975795 - 05/06/19 01:24 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

I think having a panel of three would be ideal, but I would be okay with you being one. Qman will have to agree, of course. Any other volunteers?


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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #25975812 - 05/06/19 01:32 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

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I won't debate ZOG because the burden is upon the person making the assertion and that's not worth it from my perspective.

What I will debate is that the discussion of Jewish influence (whatever the degree it may actually be in the real world) isn't open for debate today.



Okay, I can agree with this topic.

I guess the next step is to decide who will be the arbitrator(s). Do you have any suggestions for who would be unbiased in this debate? I feel Tantrika and MagicMush123 have shown themselves to be sufficiently non-partisan.

And any preference on how many rounds of rebuttals? I would suggest two.




I would also like to include that any criticism of Jewish influence being not up for discussion to also include Israel as well. I think it goes to the core of the issue that Jewish influence in the US and any criticism of Israel is off limits in some people minds.

I also like your choice of arbitrators, if a third is needed Ball works for me.  Also two rounds is fine as well.

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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: qman]
    #25975827 - 05/06/19 01:39 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

Okay, I'll shoot them some pms asking if they would be interested in participating.

Als, if you choose to flesh out and slightly change the topic as you form your opening statement, that is fine. We have the general subject, you are free to develop your specific claim.


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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #25976364 - 05/06/19 06:35 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

I can't believe XUL chickened out.  :smirk:


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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25976378 - 05/06/19 06:50 PM (5 years, 14 days ago)

That makes two of us...


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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #25976697 - 05/06/19 09:55 PM (5 years, 13 days ago)

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... I feel Tantrika and MagicMush123 have shown themselves to be sufficiently non-partisan.
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going to have to regretfully pass
"non-partisan" in my case is prolly mostly due to glossing over and not reading 90% of people's posts
feel it would be either disrespectful or outside the scope of my contributions to try and pass judgements on argument validity

but am at least glad you both have found ways to agree to measures of respectful debate
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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: Tantrika]
    #25978422 - 05/07/19 06:19 PM (5 years, 13 days ago)

You know, I think you sell yourself. I've seen you provide some pretty good quality commentaries on various subjects when the inspiration strikes. No worries that you'd rather not participate though.


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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #25979102 - 05/08/19 03:08 AM (5 years, 12 days ago)

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You know, I think you sell yourself. I've seen you provide some pretty good quality commentaries on various subjects when the inspiration strikes. No worries that you'd rather not participate though.




Am presently very self-concious about my capacity to keep track of things
went through years of thinking my disconnect from biological reproduction was complete
then recently inquired and found out my previous thought that sperm donations were just to verify vasectomy was necessary was only partial
and instead found out about the actuality of prseservation measures

if not being such a simpleton, prolly would have caught that at the time
am concerned about misapprehending pertinent affairs or concepts from either debator in a similar manner
mostly just think of myself as being here to learn by asking questions and to occasionally speak up about topics from a trans perspective
and the latter would not occur if not for the misfortune that trans matters are so frequently politicized

appreciate the understanding tho :heart:

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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #25979197 - 05/08/19 05:33 AM (5 years, 12 days ago)

I enjoyed Falcon and Enlil's debate and am looking forward to this one :popcorn: cool idea

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And then the leftists in here have literally called for my deportation.





Yeah that was funny  :lol:  wasn't 'sending you to rehab for smoking crack' suggested as well?  :lol:
This is the best forum  :thumbup:

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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: Stable Genius]
    #25979231 - 05/08/19 06:05 AM (5 years, 12 days ago)

Rehab.

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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: XUL]
    #25979310 - 05/08/19 06:59 AM (5 years, 12 days ago)

By the way, I believe that three judges will be better than two, to avoid any chance of a stalemate in the decision.

With the caveat that qman will have to agree to any new additions too, do we have any volunteers interested in joining ballsalsa and MagicMush123 on the tribunal?


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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #25979559 - 05/08/19 09:55 AM (5 years, 12 days ago)

I agree you need 3.  I'll volunteer to judge if you both agree.  I've sparred with both of you in the past, so neither of you may want me.  :smirk:


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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25979603 - 05/08/19 10:15 AM (5 years, 12 days ago)

I'd be fine with it, should qman agree.


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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #25979723 - 05/08/19 11:33 AM (5 years, 12 days ago)

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I'd be fine with it, should qman agree.




Yeah, that's fine with me as well. I'll most likely won't start until Friday, but will try sooner if possible.

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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: qman]
    #25979775 - 05/08/19 12:00 PM (5 years, 12 days ago)

Take your time. You know where the thread is when your ready


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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #25979827 - 05/08/19 12:34 PM (5 years, 12 days ago)

While we're waiting, a question I have is how the judges should provide input?

If one judge responds first, does that unfairly influence the other judges?  Or is that ok?

Or should we submit our opinions to a 4th individual until everyone responds at which point the 4th individual will share the responses?

I don't really care how we do it, I'm just throwing that out for consideration...


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Re: Formal debate proposals [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25979868 - 05/08/19 12:57 PM (5 years, 12 days ago)

I was gonna leave thoseddetails up to the judges, to be honest, but it is relevant.

I suggest judges communicate amongst themselves in private, in order to know when all three opinions have been reached, and only after that time post the responses in the thread.


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