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Sryian Rue Seeds extraction USA ; is B. Caapi Legal ?
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Maybe wrong forum

I feel bad, i've asked this multiple times in other posts and not my own thread then I can never find the answers

But I just started getting the drive back to do extractions

Recently pulled out old soup and I think I got completely nothing from it. Bit dissapointed but oh well. Gonna go buy a blender soon and get to prepping for more extractions soon

But I also need rue

I want to use it for extractions so I can use it to mix with herb

Wondering if anyone is willing to share with me where they get theirs from, something current and up to date and tried and tested

I actually think someone sent me a PM with an answer to this question a while back so in the meantime I plan to try and find my old answers I never used, but would love some fresh input from anyone willing on good source

Pretty excited to get back to work with this as I will be pretty free this summer and am caught up in every other aspect of life. This is the moment I have been waiting for to get to work on this project

Much love :heart:


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Enkidu]
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Also, while you're here, Caapi is also legal same as Rue seeds....?


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu,

https://www.ebay.com/itm/114-grams-Syrian-Rue-seeds-Peganum-harmala-red-dye-incense-International-ship/251721154747

Came commercially bagged, labeled and sealed just like a bag of Planters peanuts.

I have no experience with B. Caapi, yet.


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: StoneJackBaller]
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That ebay-stuff looks legit.

I cannot give you a US -source as I'm from europe. But the quality and the price seem to match up.
I pay 40 bucks per kilo, which is about the same price as in the link above.

As far as I know, B.caapi is not regulated in the US.
But beware, it's way more expensive than rue, and 10 to 20 times less potent, and varies in potency. 50 to 75 grams of caapi equal 3g of rue.

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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
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Hey gotcha man, thanks.

I was checking out your links last night pandemoon.
Always think of a panda when I see your name and think about you...

I read that Caapi is a bit easier, smoother, mellow, less nausea and toxicity.

Made me real curious about it.

I think ima grab some lemon balm tea like I believe its sabnock always talking about and see if that doesn't help me relax a bit

Thanks for the link Stone :hatsoff:


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
Hey gotcha man, thanks.

I was checking out your links last night pandemoon.
Always think of a panda when I see your name and think about you...

I read that Caapi is a bit easier, smoother, mellow, less nausea and toxicity.

Made me real curious about it.

I think ima grab some lemon balm tea like I believe its sabnock always talking about and see if that doesn't help me relax a bit

Thanks for the link Stone :hatsoff:


Yup, trust me, the addition of 3 to 4.5 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf tea to the Rue cleans the Rue up very nicely, it's way smoother, cleaner, lighter, way more functional and less flooring in my experience. Caapi is said to be gentler than Rue, Rue is more in your face, but with Lemon Balm, Rue is way better.

Also, Rue isn't toxic, i'm not sure why people keep thinking it's somehow toxic, the only "toxic" thing about it is that a couple additional alkaloids in Rue can cause abortion in pregnant women, that's it, but as far as like physical or mental toxicity goes, not at all. They do say that Rue has some toxic effects in much much higher dosages, like at least 20 grams of Rue, but no one in their right mind would take that much or even need to take that much, especially considering that the Harmalas in general have a reverse tolerance so the more regularly they're consumed the stronger the Harmala dosage gets so one can take the same dosage of Rue regularly and it'll just get stronger and stronger in terms of the Harmala content, so no need to take more Rue than necessary, just let the Harmala dosage get stronger and stronger, and back down on the Rue dosage if necessary as you go along, that way there's no need to take 10 grams, 15 grams, 20 grams or more of Rue, just stick to 3 to 4 grams or so, and take it like a few times a week maybe and things will get stronger and stronger, and will feel cleaner compared to taking the Harmala equivalent of a higher Rue dosage because while the Harmala content gets stronger, the other alkaloids/compounds in Rue do not, so you can avoid the heaviness of heavy heavy heavy Rue dosages but still get the heavy Harmala benefits if you wish. But usually 3 to 4.5 grams of Rue is a good dosage, but make sure the seeds are ground up into a powder using a coffee grinder and encapsulate the powder, or if in tea form make sure the tea is well brewed for maximum potency.


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Sabnock]
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I planned to use Pandemoon's tek in his sig

Thanks for the info Sab :hatsoff:

So you've tried B. Caapi ? You found that the rue and lemon balm was fine?

I plan to check out the dietary precautions etc as well, and you should take it here and there a bit by itself before using it, yeah? Is that even if you plan to just smoke it in a herb blend, or only for consuming orally ?


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
I planned to use Pandemoon's tek in his sig

Thanks for the info Sab :hatsoff:

So you've tried B. Caapi ? You found that the rue and lemon balm was fine?

I plan to check out the dietary precautions etc as well, and you should take it here and there a bit by itself before using it, yeah? Is that even if you plan to just smoke it in a herb blend, or only for consuming orally ?


I've tried B. Caapi a few times, vine, leaf, and extract, and personally i find Rue to be more consistent and reliable and easily dosable compared to Caapi and it has pretty much the same benefits as Caapi does, just a different flavor due to the different ratios of Harmalas, lack of THH in Rue, and different background alkaloids, but no doubt Rue is just as much of a teacher plant as Caapi and is the same technology as Caapi, just a different flavor, and with the Lemon Balm in the mix, it's all i need personally. Although i think some Rue and Caapi mixtures could be interesting to check out as well, perhaps.

No need to avoid anything dietarily, just make sure of drug to drug interactions with like Amphetamines or anti-depressants like SSRI's and some other things, not only due to the MAO-A inhibition but also through CYP1A2 and CYP2D6 liver enzyme inhibition.

You can take it here and there before adding in the Psychedelic component, people say that's a good way to become a bit familiar with the Rue/Caapi/Harmalas before diving into the Psychedelic territory, but it's not necessary. You can smoke the Rue seeds or Rue/Caapi/Harmala freebased extracts or even Caapi leaf, idk if the reverse tolerance would apply to the smoked route as well, so i think it's mainly orally, but idk. It's all good though, and smoked Rue/Harmala extract can even be quite noticeable while like on mushrooms or 4-ACO-DMT, did that for my most recent experience with 4-ACO and for a bit there it felt pretty much like it does when i take Psilohuasca orally, and the Harmalas really add to things and amped it up temporarily and the rest of the experience felt more Psilohuasca-like compared to before smoking the extract.


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Sabnock] * 2
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Awesome man, thanks for the info, I will probably just start with Rue then and get a bit familiar with that then maybe grab some caapi to try and compare when I have the free time :laugh:

Exciting :grin:


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Enkidu]
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Sabnock

I appreciate all of the information you offer here on Shroomery it has been helpful. I am wondering if you can point me to a source for information regarding lack of need to adhere to  dietary restrictions when using Rue .  I have seen a good but of information out there that says to adhere to the restrictions and want to confirm before I imbibe or have others do so.  Thanks man


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: StoneJackBaller]
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StoneJackBaller said:
Sabnock

I appreciate all of the information you offer here on Shroomery it has been helpful. I am wondering if you can point me to a source for information regarding lack of need to adhere to  dietary restrictions when using Rue .  I have seen a good but of information out there that says to adhere to the restrictions and want to confirm before I imbibe or have others do so.  Thanks man


Just browse around, you'll see many references to the dietary restrictions being unnecessary. It's also been scientifically studied that reversible MAO-A inhibition, like with Moclobemide, doesn't require dietary restrictions and doesn't interact with Tyramine. Tyramine is only an issue when both MAO-A and MAO-B are inhibited. And many people over at the DMT-Nexus have put the diet thing to the test even with heavy dosages of Rue/Caapi/Harmalas, and noticed no issues. Even the wikipedia article and the Ayahuasca.com forums make note of how dietary restrictions are unnecessary, but still warrant caution just in case, some people mistake headaches caused by the Harmalas' vasodilation or Acetylcholinesterase inhibition as being due to Tyramine, but gut MAO-A is only inhibited for a maximum of about 2 hours, so if you're really concerned, just don't eat anything right before or right after taking the Harmalas.

But i myself, i'm very experienced with Harmalas/Rue, i've even taken them regularly to build up the reverse tolerance and do away with the purgative effects and other side-effects, and have eaten many things and contraindicated foods right after taking heavy dosages of Rue with the reverse tolerance built up, and noticed no issues. I've also eaten on Moclobemide, and noticed no issues.

Really the best source of information is personal experience and experimentation, see what happens and works for you, but try to investigate and understand what's going on rather than automatically putting blame on Tyramine or something, a lot of people aren't that scientific/experimental when it comes to this stuff due to all the unnecessary fear they have, but there's nothing to worry about, it's commonly accepted now that there's no dietary interactions, but a lot of people still keep the dietary misinformation alive, though a lot of it has been put to rest. Just do some research on reversible MAO-A inhibition and you'll see there's no dietary interactions. So long as MAO-B remains uninhibited, Tyramine can be metabolized out by MAO-B while MAO-A is inhibited, and Tyramine can even apparently displace reversible MAO-A inhibition if need be.


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Sabnock] * 1
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I appreciate the detailed response and will do some additional diligence online.  Mostly was concerned about the hypertensive aspect and just want to be safe.  Much gratitude.


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: StoneJackBaller]
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Well I finally just got around to ordering some seeds

I did a search and ended up at a link on ebay.

Went back to this post to check the link posted here, and it was the same one that you recommended to me Stone jack, thanks man :hatsoff:

So super excited to be getting some and I am going to start some bark extractions and follow up with some harmala extractions and make some changa :grin:


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Enkidu]
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I ordered 8 and then saw he sells a kg for like $30

I sent him a message so maybe I can get it changed.

Otherwise I'll end up paying $8 more for 100g less after shipping, guess it really isn't a huge deal....


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Enkidu]
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A friend had a first experience using that Rue and shrooms from the source.  She had a nice long experience. Hope it works out good for you too.  SJB


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: StoneJackBaller]
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Thanks man :wink:

Looked like he has good reviews and lots of transactions so thats a good sign to me, Sab said pretty much anything should work good, that there really isn't huge potency or quality differences, hopefully true :grin:


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Enkidu]
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https://www.sadaf.com/sadaf-wild-rue-seeds-esphand-13-0200/

This is the stuff I got

The guy sent me 11 packs.

I had ordered 8 and messaged him asking if I could change it to one of his bulk options that cost less and he sent me 3 extra :shrug:

I feel bad. Nice of him to do that.

Cost me $46 after shipping


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Enkidu]
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Fair price for more than a kilo! :thumbup:

Have fun extracting.

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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Pandemoon]
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Hey thanks man

How long does an extraction typically take you from start to finish?

Just trying to plan ahead and not start too late and know the time commitment
im getting myself into


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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Enkidu]
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it took me like 4 days personally with a few hours each day (mostly boiling or filtering), but that was due to me working and also waiting on the damn stuff to filter through. q.q then again waiting a day or so for the salt to precipitate and then drying out the results.

that said, i failed miserably with my attempt - i got crystals but also a lot of brown powdery gunk i didn't want. do not do what i did - do NOT skip the steps where it says "filter, filter, filter some more". do not get hasty. filter through a series of smaller holed filters. after boiling the seeds, filter. after adding the base, filter. after redissolving the stuff, filter. FILTEEEEER Q_Q

before you even attempt to base it out i'd get it clean enough to run though two coffee filters back to back, like the instructions recommend. otherwise... it's going to be miserable times later.

also, the concoction smells awful, like vinegar and well... syrian rue. have the window open, or use a hot plate and do it outside, or at least don't have anyone who's going to suffer your chemistry experiment in the house. protect all surfaces from the very staining concoction.

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Re: Sryian Rue Seeds USA for extraction purposes [Re: Psion]
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Hey thanks for the advice man, I will make sure not to get lazy with it and filter :wink:


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