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Ariocarpus fissuratus * 1
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Ariocarpus fissuratus (living rock cactus, or false peyote) does not contain Mescaline. It does however contain hordenine and other phenethylamines. Here is my experience on something I bet you just now heard of! Normally I'd say can't wait to try it again. I loved it I want to try a higher dose really but... At the same time i think it will be a very long time before i do it again, with respect to the cactus.

I dosed ariocarpus fissuratus by eating "points". The cactus grows in a star shape, and has small fleshy pointed tubricles. I have read that Shamans dose it by eating a point one at a time until they felt the right dose.

10:30 initial dose.
11:30, 12, 1:20 were my redoses.

It started with a low flush or pressure feeling in my eyes, like I was high, but I actually hadn't smoked yet. I began to see flashes, but instead of light, it was shadows or inverted colors
Between my second and third dose, I felt really weird and vibrant. I probably could have done some activities, like go for a jog, or ride a bike, for a while. I did not feel inebriated like some people describe, but I definitely felt off. I smoked a blunt which contained peyote and weed, and ate two small peyote heads which had died. AF contains hordenine which interacts with mescaline (which is not in AF) as well as other phenethylmines, which there are assumed to be several.

The visuals eventually intensified to shapes and landscapes and things. I could see like a bunch of tie dye polygons telling me some kind of story. I didn't feel the really good feeling of mescaline, but I did feel pretty at peace. Mescaline makes me feel euphoric: this is awesome! I'm really happy this is happening right now! I'm feel so good and everything is so amazing!

This feeling I had was more like satisfaction. Like I had achieved something but didn't need to feel good about my SELF because what I was seeing reflected it, so I should feel good for the experiences around me not my own. It was really unique, and very different from mescaline. I wish I could describe in greater detail what I felt and how it was different feeling. There was not as much awe and overwhelming love, but more of a satisfaction.

It began to look like I was in a desert, it really felt like i was sitting on some yellow rocks feeling the sun on my face. I saw patterns and tape, or patterned ribbons in yellow and blue, which eventually become yellow, orange, blue and green. These never formed more than ribbons or buildings with sharp pointy things coming out of them as they twisted and gleamed. Eventually I fell asleep and when I woke up I felt really refreshed and still somewhat feeling a body high, really relaxed energy.

Although I am interested in a higher dose unless something terrible happens to my collection I won't be dosing it again for years.

Edited by Mike4aco (04/30/19 09:36 PM)

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Re: Ariocarpus fissuratus [Re: Mike4aco]
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Thanks for sharing.

I always wondered what effects those little cacti might have. They are mentioned in one of my books about psychoactive cacti, but listed as non-mescaline containing and yet unreseached plants.

Very interesting! :thumbup:

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Re: Ariocarpus fissuratus [Re: Pandemoon]
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Very nice
I will probably link this thread as an example in.a thread I hope to create soon

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Re: Ariocarpus fissuratus [Re: Tripsten]
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Thanks @pandamoon, I did as much research as i could before dosing, but there is nothing out there really.


@tripsten for sure! Link me if you want to!

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Re: Ariocarpus fissuratus [Re: Mike4aco]
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Fantastic research truly , “The other Cacti” sure are fascinating

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Re: Ariocarpus fissuratus [Re: Mike4aco]
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So you ate four of those tubercles, over two to three hours or so, is that right? That's a rather small ammount, for such interesting effects.

Those little plants seem to be potent little creatures then.

:strokebeard:

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Re: Ariocarpus fissuratus [Re: Pandemoon]
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It sounds worthy of further inspection. Maybe you can attempt the experience again without the addition of cannabis or other mescaline containing cacti. This way you might recognise whether Ariocarpus Fissuratus has its own solely individual effect upon the body's chemistry.


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Re: Ariocarpus fissuratus [Re: Dream-Time]
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I don't want to tho not for a while. I don't have any more dying points on it, and I don't see below buying one solely to dose. it'll probably be a while before I try anymore. And I'm not sure there was much mescaline if any in the peyote they were only 3-4 years old, but had died. I didn't take the peyote with it until around 2-3 hours. I don't think I really felt a change when I did eat the peyote either.

Pandamoon- it was both me being cautious and the stuff being kinda strong. I think haha. Not much information anywhere. The only anecdotal information I read was this:

Ariocarpus fissuratus
A. fissuratus is considered one of the most important híkuri of the Tarahumara, being known as "híkuri sunami," a term signifying its ability to "enchain." It is also known as "peyote cimarrón" (wild peyote), a term indicating its unruly nature. This latter designation may be inaccurate as Bennett & Zingg regard peyote cimarrón as being "small, red, and ineffective" and "not used or even touched, since the abuser may die." Carl Lumholtz, in his classic text on the Tarahumara, Unknown Mexico, doesn't even make mention of such a plant as peyote cimarrón, though he does address híkuri sunami. Ivar Thord-Gray, in his Tarahumara dictionary, makes a clear difference between híkuri cimarrón and híkuri sunami, believing the former is "considered the most dangerous peyote, in fact deadly even to the touch, and is therefore never used," while he regards the latter as being "at least as powerful as híkuri wanamé" (L. williamsii). Híkuri cimarrón has been applied toward only one other Cactaceae, Astrophytum myriostigma, while it has been applied to one species of Compositae (Asteraceae) and two species of Orchidaceae.

Though containing no mescaline, A. fissuratus, as híkuri sunami, is, according to Lumholtz, believed by the Tarahumara to be more powerful than híkuri wanamé and be used in the same manner. That this híkuri is considered at least as, or more powerful than, L. williamsii is rather impressive considering the minimal presence of alkaloids, but such a term as "power" should not immediately be assumed to denote that it is more hallucinogenic than L. williamsii. A. fissuratus, like L. williamsii, is highly valued, both medicinally and ceremonially, and its power could lie far from its ability to alter consciousness. One must also consider the possibility that "power" is simply an abridged translation, by a Victorian era westerner, of a report provided by an aboriginal; a report that likely would have been more thorough in its description were it accurately transcribed.

A. fissuratus is frequently used as a medicinal and pain-killing plant, being placed upon wounds, snakebites, and bruises. It is also known to remedy fevers and ease rheumatic pains. Like L. williamsii, it is a medicinal panacea that is used for all orders of disease. Often A. fissuratus is mixed with water and boiled for a few minutes to be made into a strongly intoxicating drink. It is also chewed or drunk as a stimulant for traditional Tarahumara foot-runners, while others will often carry pieces of this híkuri in their belts for good luck. Again, like in prior reference to "power," the term "stimulant" must be considered from the same perspective; that it is not a central nervous stimulant as understood by western culture. It is much more likely that the value of some híkuri as stimulants in running contests is for their ability to focus the mind on the sacred task at hand by dulling pain and suppressing thirst and appetite. Its use in festivals extended past the mid-20th century and is likely used in some form to this day.

The most mythical aspect reported about A. fissuratus is the belief that it has the ability to cause robbers to be "powerless to steal anything where sunami calls soldiers to its aid." Just how it is used to protect ones property had failed to be recorded, but quite possibly it could have been an idol placed in or around the camp or home, or else may have been prayed to for such purpose. Like other important híkuri, A. fissuratus would likely have been venerated as a god with the power of intercession in human affairs.

I am aware of one modern account of the ingestion of A. fissuratus tea. The report indicates non-hallucinogenic effects with strong narcotic pain killing qualities. More complete chemical studies of this genus may prove productive.

A. fissuratus includes a large number of morphological variations. Which of these may be used among the Tarahumara is apparently unknown. A. bravoanus subspecies hintonii (=A. fissuratus variation hintonii) is reported to be used as an exterior salve for general pains and rheumatism after being soaked in alcohol.

A. fissuratus has been successfully crossed with L. williamsii, creating L. williamsii x A. fissuratus hybrids.

A. fissuratus has been called "chaute" or "chautle," terms that are a corruption of "challote," which itself is a Spanish corruption of "peyote."

Hordenine
N-Methyltyramine
N-Methyl-3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine (found in var. fissuratus)


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Re: Ariocarpus fissuratus [Re: Mike4aco]
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Great read. Tnx man, that one slipped under my radar. Curious now.


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