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UrbanCubensis


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Fruiting Method Advice
#25961756 - 04/29/19 02:04 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have 7 PF Tek cakes (half pint 230ml) jars all colonised and consolidated. I've done a SGFC a year back just dunking cakes and placing to fruit, I want to try something different.
There are so many bloody writeups, teks and methods possible and I don't have quite enough experience to make a proper judgement on what to do with them. I don't quite want to spawn to a bulk monotub or anything yet as I reckon I need more experience first to go into that as I believe I'll contaminate it.
Would something more subtle work well and be beginner-friendly enough such as shoeboxes?
I get so overwhelmed looking through all the TEKs and after an hour I have 20+ tabs open. If anyone with experience could recommend one or a certain approach to this it'd mean a lot and likely get me started in the community! I'm the learner who needs a bit of a jumpstart to be able to kick off my journey, sorry in advance to the members who are sick of these posts! I just need something which may cater to me best. I have PLENTY of verm and coir on hand, and a 20L Pressure Cooker at my disposal.
I'm using PF Tek as I've had the least problems with it, and previously tried PCing 8 quart jars with rye grain and gypsum, all of which didn't even grow for a month then exploded with contam.
*EDIT* I saw a lot of posts also with those aluminium/tin oven trays which look very similar to shoeboxes but as a cheaper alternative! (maybe!)
Regards, UC.
Edited by UrbanCubensis (04/29/19 02:58 AM)
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Professor X
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Shoe boxes are only $1. When I make a dub tub I use 2 dollar tree shoe boxes and set it up like a baby monotub with 4 holes on the long sides down low and 2 on the short side up top with 3/4 inch holes, window seal as a gasket between and a harbor freight squeeze clamp on each side. Use liners and spawn 1:1 with CVG or CCVG. You have enough spawn to do two boxes. I would expect 15 to 20 grams dry per flush per box and 3 or 4 good flushes, at least that's my experience.
I personally prefer 20 quart sterilite gasket boxes as mini monos. It will hold and produce the same as 2 dubtubs with less than half the work and is much easier to maintain and set up. I love them and efficiency wise they are the shit. To get twice the yield you would have to step up to a 54 quart with 5 quarts spawn. 20 quarts are my personal favorite. Plus the 20 quarts are only 7 bucks at Wal-Mart, 2 dub tubs run 8 bucks between the tubs, gasket and clips.
Edited by Professor X (04/29/19 03:59 AM)
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I recommend going through Bod's simplified cultivation methods and his videos.
You'll need jars: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24125953
You'll need grain: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=24126032&page=0&vc=1#24126032
You'll need substrate: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24077162#24077162
Disposable aluminum baking pans work fine, but being disposable they only last one or two grows. I've also seen folks express concern about aluminum bioaccumulation, but I personally wouldn't worry about that. Shoeboxes are definitely a better investment if you plan on sticking with the hobby.
Also, I recommend you consider taking the plunge into agar. It's too easy and the benefits are too numerous not to: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20846749#20846749
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Re: Fruiting Method Advice [Re: stubb]
#25961813 - 04/29/19 04:17 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude, he has 7 cakes ready to birth and just said he is overwhelmed by reading all these teks and you tell him to read all these teks and buy all the crap he already has. Did you even read his post?
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stubb
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Yes, I did read his post.
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I've done a SGFC a year back just dunking cakes and placing to fruit, I want to try something different.
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Would something more subtle work well and be beginner-friendly enough such as shoeboxes?
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I get so overwhelmed looking through all the TEKs and after an hour I have 20+ tabs open. If anyone with experience could recommend one or a certain approach to this it'd mean a lot and likely get me started in the community!
Did you?
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UrbanCubensis


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Yeah that sounds good. I reckon I'll go with a 20L clear tub with click latches. Do you reckon 7 half pint jars would suffice in this tub?
If so, then do a ratio of 1:1 spawn to CVG. The main thing I'm worried about is if they're easy to contam. Also, typically to pasteurise the CVG would it be best to follow the most popular teks?
I don't see myself getting much larger than 20L, if anything I'd be happy to just have plenty of 20L tubs. Easier to manage.
I've tried agar before a couple times and majority of my plates contam, just need to rework my entire procedures however I've had 100% success every time doing MS innoculations somehow, weird huh.
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Re: Fruiting Method Advice [Re: stubb]
#25961824 - 04/29/19 04:31 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I did read it and gave the suggestion to use his 1.75 quarts of spawn in a 20 quart mini mono, search function can easily find directions for that and cvg or ccvg. An easy coir tek is Damions 50 50 tek (although it is actually 80/20). My personal method is similar except with 5% gypsum and a pot's worth of spent coffee grounds. I also add a little more vermiculite and I use straight coir as the casing. Ezpz.
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I sterilize cvg in an oven bag in my pressure cooker 90 mins at 15 to 20. Yes, you have just enough spawn. Sterilized coir and vermiculite won't contaminate easily. Don't add coffe to your subs until you are confident you have clean spawn.
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Anoobus
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shoebox tek linkshoebox tek FTW ! if you want to dub tub you can. i put one on the other and put tape on the 4 corners to hold it. i just harvested the frst fruit in my latest it was 41 grams
Edited by Anoobus (04/29/19 05:17 AM)
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Re: Fruiting Method Advice [Re: Anoobus]
#25961868 - 04/29/19 05:31 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Fruiting Method Advice [Re: Anoobus]
#25961994 - 04/29/19 07:18 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anoobus said: shoebox tek linkshoebox tek FTW ! if you want to dub tub you can. i put one on the other and put tape on the 4 corners to hold it. i just harvested the frst fruit in my latest it was 41 grams
You harvested 41 grams dry in a single flush from a dub tub multi spore? That's unheard of if so. If it was 41 wet, that's PF cake yields. Either way you are setting the OP up for a let down because 41 dry from a 6 quart ms is not happening.
You can't compare clone yields to ms yields. OP, I'll make a post later today about how I make mini monos.
Edited by Professor X (04/29/19 07:19 AM)
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Mad Season
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41g dry from a single flush on a shoebox is pretty standard. Try getting over 60g dry.
  
Here's a pe shoebox grow where 4 boxes each grew around 2.5 zips. Got 10 zips total from it..

But what he is actually saying is that the first fruit weighs 41g. That's a 4g fruit.
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Re: Fruiting Method Advice [Re: Mad Season]
#25962018 - 04/29/19 07:39 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those don't look like multi spore. Some of you guys hurt my head. So many trolls here. I bet there is a 90% newbie failure rate from reading crap like this. People come back all disappointed with their weak multi spore flush or throw away good spawn because someone saw a shadow in a picture and thought it was an extremely rare strain of mold, etc... I've even read about people being hospitalized following dumb shit advice here. At least y'all don't use Martha's.
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Mad Season
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That's limited ms.. about 4-5 xfers on agar. I rarely use clones lol
Dude I get mad if my shoebox is below 1-1.5 zips. Tis the reason I'm shocked you think 40g is unheard of..
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Re: Fruiting Method Advice [Re: Mad Season]
#25962030 - 04/29/19 07:44 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Then you isolated the strain, yes that would be average I agree. OP has 7 cakes of multi spore, his tub is going to be a Dookie rodeo unless he gets super lucky. He'll be doing good to get half that much.
When I say multi spore I mean injected spore solution into each jar separately. The only reason I ever do this is to get clonea.
Edited by Professor X (04/29/19 07:46 AM)
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Mad Season
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Well clearly it took practice to get there. Not first try, but after awhile, it should be pretty standard to get at least 1.5 zips. My first shoeboxes still yielded me enough to be impressed and made me practice hard so that even side pins could look like this, and still yield over 1.5 zips
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Re: Fruiting Method Advice [Re: Mad Season]
#25962056 - 04/29/19 07:52 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree with everything you are saying now. I'm just saying OP won't get that much, no way. Everyone has to start somewhere.
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Mad Season
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Yeah man totally agreed there. First try should aim for just getting fruits lol
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UrbanCubensis


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Re: Fruiting Method Advice [Re: Mad Season]
#25963674 - 04/30/19 12:42 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey, Wow nice! Awesome to hear people getting that much out of shoeboxes. The ones you mentioned getting 1-2oz dry out of, how big were each shoebox? I went ahead and got a bunch of 6L/6q tubs today as for my first couple I want to start small and take it slow, giving me more time to perfect it in a sense.
I'm thinking a 1:2 ratio of spawn to cvg? Or for beginners would straight coir be the go, it comes in large 20L bags and looks very good. Be best to soak in boiling water overnight though before mixing with spawn?
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Re: Fruiting Method Advice [Re: Mad Season]
#25963845 - 04/30/19 05:26 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Well clearly it took practice to get there. Not first try, but after awhile, it should be pretty standard to get at least 1.5 zips. My first shoeboxes still yielded me enough to be impressed and made me practice hard so that even side pins could look like this, and still yield over 1.5 zips
The fuck is a zip? As if we don't have enough measuring units for yields already
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Re: Fruiting Method Advice [Re: poisoned]
#25963864 - 04/30/19 05:37 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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A zip is a ounce
Edited by Crackatoa (04/30/19 05:38 AM)
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Mad Season
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Re: Fruiting Method Advice [Re: Crackatoa]
#25964010 - 04/30/19 08:02 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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UrbanCubensis said: Hey, Wow nice! Awesome to hear people getting that much out of shoeboxes. The ones you mentioned getting 1-2oz dry out of, how big were each shoebox? I went ahead and got a bunch of 6L/6q tubs today as for my first couple I want to start small and take it slow, giving me more time to perfect it in a sense.
I'm thinking a 1:2 ratio of spawn to cvg? Or for beginners would straight coir be the go, it comes in large 20L bags and looks very good. Be best to soak in boiling water overnight though before mixing with spawn?
The ones I posted are 6L boxes, so the same size as the ones you got . Yes you prep the coir exactly like how you would for a mono. 1:2 sounds fine.
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Re: Fruiting Method Advice [Re: Ep1429]
#25964105 - 04/30/19 09:33 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would go 1 to 1 ratio. I don't see any benefit to a 1 to 2 ratio. It takes longer to colonize and doesn't change much. I get 4 flushes average either way.
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UrbanCubensis


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So, just placed them in 2x 6L SB’s, 1:3 spawn coir ratio.
Gave all jars a good sniff, all smelt clean and mushroomy.
Here’s the cakes:
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