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PyroMancer
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Malabar/A.P.E 1.0 mini-loaf ?
#25954430 - 04/25/19 10:24 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I want to crumble a few cakes as spawn into the .99 cent dollar store bread pans. Lets say 2 crushed cakes in 2 ziplocks mixed with 1 zip lock of verm to get an idea of my ratio. I only have verm to use as my casing and read that it will work for a casing layer. After the 2 cakes and 1 bag of verm recover/colonize the bread pan- I would case with 1/4 inch layer of field capacity verm. What does everybody think? I want to increase my yield as much as I can with what I have even if its 1 or 2 extra toadstools I get that I wouldnt if I didn't lmao.. Thanks in advance shroomery!
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Re: Malabar/A.P.E 1.0 mini-loaf ? [Re: PyroMancer]
#25954683 - 04/25/19 01:07 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are going to use verm as your substrate?
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Re: Malabar/A.P.E 1.0 mini-loaf ? [Re: newtomyc]
#25954688 - 04/25/19 01:08 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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it works just not as well as you would hope for go get some coir for better results in the future
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Re: Malabar/A.P.E 1.0 mini-loaf ? [Re: Tornarsuk]
#25954751 - 04/25/19 01:44 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Newtomyc- I was going to mix 2 crushed 1/2 pint cakes, and a 1/2 pint jar of verm and use that as sub. Then I was going to wait until fully colonized, and use 1/4in. verm layer as casing. I want to put this all in one of the tiny bread loaf pans and put them in same FC with a few cakes... Then I can do my own personal side by side comparison between the cakes and breadpans in the same parameters (same FC). Is this a logical analyses or should i put cakes in one boxand breadpans in another?
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Re: Malabar/A.P.E 1.0 mini-loaf ? [Re: PyroMancer]
#25954772 - 04/25/19 01:53 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is a thread that talks about spawning brf to bulk.
I would skip that verm. Take your cakes and shred them with a cheese grater to 2 qts of field capacity coir in a shoebox. You will get better results.
But by all means experiment!!!
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PyroMancer
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Re: Malabar/A.P.E 1.0 mini-loaf ? [Re: newtomyc]
#25954854 - 04/25/19 02:29 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Newtomyc- verm is all i have right now... Like i said, i know its not ideal but its all i have atm, and funds are more than tight since some girl hit me and wrecked my car 2 weeks ago! So the circumstances being what they are- is one 1/2 pint jar of verm to two crushed 1/2 pint cakes too much verm to mix in with cakes as sub? Should I use more? Less? Just crush cakes and case?
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Re: Malabar/A.P.E 1.0 mini-loaf ? [Re: PyroMancer]
#25954904 - 04/25/19 02:49 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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A block of coir is like three bucks from the pet store. Dig some change out of your couch and go buy one. Or if you have neighbors with cows or horses go grab a patty for free and pasteurize a couple cups worth. You can try with the verm but noone is gonna have a good recommendation for that because thats not how people generally do it.
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Re: Malabar/A.P.E 1.0 mini-loaf ? [Re: PyroMancer]
#25955003 - 04/25/19 03:43 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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newtomyc said: There is a thread that talks about spawning brf to bulk.
 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=24945782&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#24945782Quote:
PyroMancer said: Newtomyc- I was going to mix 2 crushed 1/2 pint cakes, and a 1/2 pint jar of verm and use that as sub. Then I was going to wait until fully colonized, and use 1/4in. verm layer as casing. I want to put this all in one of the tiny bread loaf pans and put them in same FC with a few cakes... Then I can do my own personal side by side comparison between the cakes and breadpans in the same parameters (same FC). Is this a logical analyses or should i put cakes in one boxand breadpans in another?
First, if you're going to spawn don't go lower than 1:1 ratios for spawn:substrate. In your example you're doing 2:1, which isn't good. You can do 1:2 or higher though (don't recommend above 1:4). So if you're going to shred 2 1/2 pints (i.e. 1 pint) do at least 1 pint of substrate (verm isn't best alone, look up coir only bucket tek or CVG teks).
And yeah, ditch this idea and spawn a shoebox, you'll get at least 1-2 more mushrooms
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So basically i want the "volume" of my spawn to be the same of what I want to use as my substrate? I May go get a brick of coco coir though. I didnt know it was as cheap as a bag of verm with better results... Ibe never gone bulk before so I'm just trying to get my feet wetπ
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Re: Malabar/A.P.E 1.0 mini-loaf ? [Re: PyroMancer]
#25955216 - 04/25/19 05:43 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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You want the volume to be at least the same but 1:1-1:4 seems to be the generally accepted range. Iβd suggest about 1:2 spawn: coir
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Re: Malabar/A.P.E 1.0 mini-loaf ? [Re: AyePlus]
#25958787 - 04/27/19 12:35 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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1/2 inch layer of casing (pasteurized coco coir with a touch of gypsum powder) on the bottom of the pan, cakes on top of that tetrised in at max capacity, pack in casing around edges and add 1/4 inch of casing evenly over the surface. Immediately introduce to fruiting conditions. Should pin in 7-10 days as a canopy. No need at all to break up cakes. Boom!
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Re: Malabar/A.P.E 1.0 mini-loaf ? [Re: Nichrome]
#25958808 - 04/27/19 12:52 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey Nichrome
Do you have a link to a thread where I might be able to see this method you speak of in action, doesn't have to be your work, just wanna see how it would look in real life
sounds interesting, one less vector for contam if you don't have to shred the cakes
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Can't help you there. The original method was to fit 12 half pint wide mouth cakes in a white sterilite dish tub and fit two (perfectly!)dish tubs in a 64 qt clear tub. Definitely way less contam issues and generally a faster and healthier pin-set. Trays were nearly indistinguishable from cased rye trays on the same schedule. 3-5z dry per 12 cakes first flush, and strong at that.
A dozen cakes and a couple qt of coir/gypsum mixed thoroughly (not broken up) in a bucket and cased, with an upside down 14" clear saucer over the top works well too and is inconspicuous.
The 5 gal bucket with a clear tray upside down on top works well for any method as a minimum maintenance fc for any type of sub/spawn. 6 qt oats/4qt bulk, 6 dry first.
nothing to prove here...grain of salt...have fun!
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Re: Malabar/A.P.E 1.0 mini-loaf ? [Re: Nichrome]
#25959675 - 04/27/19 09:57 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks Nichrome
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APE 1.0?
This is still around? Does it look same as APE 2.0?
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Nichrome
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Quote:
Nef said: thanks Nichrome

You're very welcome. Feel free to shoot me a pm if this is attempted and any issues arise.
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