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Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons
#25960172 - 04/28/19 07:05 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Greetings. I have access to these 3 grains and plan to experiment with all. I am totally new to grains and a bit unsure about the varying teks.
I get the 12-24 hour soak and am aware that some don't even recommend this as it may breed bacteria so I'll probably do half n half for first run see what is better.
Also im aware of the simmer in order to get the grains to take on water. Anything from 10-45 mins I've read so I'll play around with this too.
The bit that I'm not sure of is the draining and how dry the grain should be before pcing. From what I gather for wheat and millet it should be pretty much dry on outside of grain before loading jars however I don't see anywhere about rye which I would have thought would be the same. Instead I've seen pics of quite damp grains in jars which give claimed good results. Any ideas wat way to go?
I'm also going to be pcing for 2hours as my pc is 12psi. Should be enough. Ive read that the reqd cooking times for different psi aren't proportional and actually it doesn't take a lot longer at 12psi for the same effect at 15psi
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: thisbliss]
#25960274 - 04/28/19 08:39 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use millet (WBS, it's actually about 80% millet 20% red milo) and throw about 1/4" vermiculite in the jars to control moisture because I believe it to be a ridiculous practice to air dry spawn on a screen for hours. I have no problems from it. It simplifies the process and I definitely suggest it vs arbitrary moisture testing methods such as feel or drip rate.
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: Professor X]
#25960282 - 04/28/19 08:50 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok. Interesting. So do you mix the verm right through the seed? And I take it just soaks up the last of the external water in the grains.
I've heard ones talk of steam drying grains by rinsing with hot water which should then evaporate quicker but yeah would probably require spreading out over a large surface area. Some just let it drain in strainer for half an hour. Id imagine they would still be damp.
I think I'll try a few jars with verm as you suggest. Thanks. It seems in this grain game its all about establishing a method that works for yourself.
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: thisbliss]
#25960293 - 04/28/19 09:06 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use rye, and I air dry it. I used to think it was a pain, but now I just strain and dry them on a big window screen after boiling. Takes less than an hour to dry completely.
When I started I followed this Tek exactly, and I still do for the most part.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048765#20048765
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: Svetaketu] 1
#25960480 - 04/28/19 11:18 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Rye is most common. It can be the most expensive as well. Millet is good but a pain in the ass as the size of the grain is so small, I would not recommend it on its own (mix with milo/sorghum). Wheat is what I have been using for the last few years. It is very cheap and hard to mess up. You can boil the hell out of wheat and it rarely will burst. Rye is more finicky and pops easy if you aren't watching the kettle so to speak.
In most of my grain prep methods I have always soaked 12-24 hours, then brought to a boil. With rye I would drain the water at just boiling and dry. With wheat I hard boil for 10-20 minutes then drain and dry. How you do these things depends on how much grain you are prepping. Since you are just starting out I would stick to a big pot (23qt+) & pasta type strainers to dry your grain. When you decide you want to prep more at once, I would recommend a brewing kettle with a ball valve & false bottom for boiling. This allows you to drain the hot water out of the bottom of the pot. Then you can dump it or scoop it out. Make your own strainer with window screening.
The idea with soak and boil is you want to hydrate your grains so that the water content inside the grain is at a maximum. Then when you boil you get the grains hot so when they dry the water on the outside of the grain steams away, leaving it dry on the outside and saturated on the inside. Endospores and bacteria & microflora play a role in the methodology but I won't get into that.
In any case it would be beneficial to you to get a bag of each grain and prep a few gallons of each to see what you like best.
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: PirateSwazey]
#25960487 - 04/28/19 11:21 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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mostly
You definitely want a few different grains to find the one that works for you. Sometimes grain just doesn't work for unknown reasons 
How bigs your kettle pirate?
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: van hatton]
#25960670 - 04/28/19 01:11 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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 these are different stages of hard red winter wheat and whole barley .. I like the barley and is just as forgivable as wheat is while soaking and PC.. but it takes longer to colonize it has somewhat of a oats hull on it ..
I had a panic attack a couple months ago and deleted all of my old pictures Haha.. it sux cause there was alot of good pics but oats and wheat are like oranges and gorillas totally different .. wheat and anything else in my experience I haven't compared. But I love wheat and probably will always buy wheat .. but barley has its ups as well just a bigger grain .. now I do get more jars and bags with barley.. 110 myco qts conoared to 85 or so on wheat so theres my only down with wheat and its 1 dollar more Haha
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: Boogieman47]
#25960742 - 04/28/19 02:02 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the input. Always learning a bit more. I like the sound of wheat seems it is most forgiving of them all. I'll definitely be trying all three tho to compare yields and ease of use etc.
I've already got some rye and wheat and can get millet from a local pet feed store easily. Wheat is working out a fair bit cheaper so that may be a factor too in what I go for.
The only issue with the wheat I get is that there is cracked corn through it. Might this be an issue?
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: thisbliss]
#25960745 - 04/28/19 02:05 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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How much cracked corn ?? Ask for recleaned wheat maybe thats better ?? Not sure I have a few pieces here and there I just pick them out ..
Is there alot ?
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: Boogieman47]
#25960750 - 04/28/19 02:12 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hard to describe. I'd say about 5%. You see it's wbs but like 90% of it is wheat. There's large black seeds not too many these are easy picked out and then there's some other seed that can be skimmed off the top easy leaving me wheat and this cracked corn which is too much a pita to pick out. Hoping it will be ok as it's cheap and plentiful
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: thisbliss]
#25960773 - 04/28/19 02:24 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Only one way to find out Haha..I have used busmrst grain and nothing happened as much as its frowned upon .. I know its not good to and I wouldn't always but I do shit you shouldn't sometimes Haha..
When you get it post some pics let us see how it al goes
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: Boogieman47] 1
#25960793 - 04/28/19 02:35 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks dude yea from a bit of reading cracked corn isn't too bad so just gonna be all Jimmy about it and not care!! What's the worst can happen 😊
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: thisbliss] 1
#25960805 - 04/28/19 02:46 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Haha that shit literally cracked me up .. good luck
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: Boogieman47]
#25962223 - 04/29/19 09:05 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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😅 thanks bro will give an update. Here's a pic of my wheat...
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: thisbliss]
#25962227 - 04/29/19 09:07 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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what brand of burd ceed is that? i likes it.
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: mushboy]
#25962237 - 04/29/19 09:11 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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'wild appetite' it's in UK outta homebase. What you see there has had seeds picked out. Mostly large black ones which were easy enough.
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: thisbliss]
#25962420 - 04/29/19 10:54 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't worry about the corn it is fine.. I never rinse or separate twigs and other undesirables like that. The stuff I use is dirty dirty 'feed wheat' and I love it.
Best luck
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: PirateSwazey]
#25962448 - 04/29/19 11:10 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Great pirate more confident about it now. I daresay any feed could be used as long as it's not too wet and pc'd long enough.
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: thisbliss]
#25962458 - 04/29/19 11:16 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Like I said earlier some just don't work out for whatever reason.
My rye supply around here refuses to grow mushrooms. I wanted to narrow my variables for contams so I ended up sending a 5 lb bag to a tc for them to try.
Just didn't work out and we couldn't find out why.
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Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.
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Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: van hatton]
#25962488 - 04/29/19 11:34 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Strange. Could it be something about the area or soil it's grown in? Nutrient of the grain too weak/potent for mycelium. Did it grow any mycelium at all? the
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Re: Rye/wheat/millet tek comparisons [Re: thisbliss]
#25962498 - 04/29/19 11:42 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Us pondering it won't give us any answer we haven't come up with already unfortunately.
I switched to wheat and all my shit did well.
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Tmethyl said:
Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy.
Caps McGee said:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
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