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ChardRich
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Grain bags failed... Time for jars?
#25959341 - 04/27/19 06:07 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey guys,
First, I know, the consensus here is grain bags can work, but mostly aren't recommended. On that note, I ordered 2 rye grain bags. They are actually doing quite well. I inoculated them with B+, and the bags are 40-50% colonized going strong. About a week later, I received two five grain spawn bags. I used the other syringe of the same strain from the same vendor. I followed the exact steps I did with the first two bags, and left incubating at 76 degrees. 10 days later, I have seen zero growth from either of the five grain spawn bags. Assuming they were no good, I broke them up to see if there was any mycelium growth inside. There was not, and once I repacked it down, I noticed that both bags had a sweet/sour odor coming from the filter patches.
So - my question is, what the fuck? Why did these two bags go bad when I replicated what I did with the two bags that went well? There are also no signs of contam, just some we grain since there has been no growth... I assume now though, that, because there is no groth and they smell like shit, they're toast. Thankfully my other bags are doing well.
Therefore, I think it's time to get some jars. I was going to inoculate follow this tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23688752#23688752
My next question is, how do you guys feel about buying jars vs. making them? I know it's probably cheaper to DIY, but I have no brf or mason jars of any kind. If inoculated properly, does buying substrate jars make a difference opposed to making them?
My last question is about spawn bags. I happened to go through my local farmers market and noticed a local, small, vendor selling seemingly comprehensive spawn bags. I was thinking they might have more love and care than an online - mass producing vendor. What do you guys think? Would love some feedback!!
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Re: Grain bags failed... Time for jars? [Re: ChardRich]
#25959371 - 04/27/19 06:23 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you have a pc buy some quart jars otherwise you can do pf tek with boiling water. ez pz.
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ChardRich
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Re: Grain bags failed... Time for jars? [Re: JHOVA]
#25959404 - 04/27/19 06:46 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I do not have a pressure cooker. Can you explain all the abbreviations you used. I am a noob.
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Re: Grain bags failed... Time for jars? [Re: ChardRich]
#25959460 - 04/27/19 07:22 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are using syringes. Every inoculation is a crap-shoot. Your other bags were lucky is all. If you don't learn agar, this is how it will be every time, some work, some don't.
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Re: Grain bags failed... Time for jars? [Re: JHOVA]
#25959604 - 04/27/19 09:13 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Grain bags are fine, spore syringe to grain is a gamble. Buying presterilized bags is a gamble
Shooting spores into presterilized grainbags is a double gamble, you really want to skew the odds in your favor as much as possible when growing mushrooms
Spend 80$ on a pressure cooker, youβll thank yourself later. Maybe gramβs has one in the attic for canning beans, or maybe you can find one at a thrift store for 20$. Definitely a worthy investment, especially if youβre serious about growing mushrooms.
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ChardRich said: I do not have a pressure cooker. Can you explain all the abbreviations you used. I am a noob.
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JHOVA said: if you have a pressure cooker buy some quart jars otherwise you can do professer fanaticus tek (brown rice flour, vermiculite, water 2:1:1 ) with boiling water. easy peasy.
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ChardRich
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Re: Grain bags failed... Time for jars? [Re: AyePlus]
#25960564 - 04/28/19 12:18 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have a friend who has one I can use. What tek should I follow? The one I linked to, where you make your own?
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Re: Grain bags failed... Time for jars? [Re: ChardRich]
#25961836 - 04/29/19 04:53 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Even if you find a PC, I'd go for PF Tek if I weren't planning to do agar.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15223324
I find grains so much versatile than PF Teks, but if you don't have a clean culture to start from it's risky and in my opinion it will depend too much of your luck. PF Tek is a safer and instructive way.
Anyway, if you are planning to continue cultivating, I'd recommend you a lot getting some agar. It will take a bit of time until you can start to inoculate grains, but it'll be completely worth it. You can do PF Teks while you are starting with agar too.
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Re: Grain bags failed... Time for jars? [Re: josevzs]
#25961882 - 04/29/19 05:41 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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ChardRich said: I do not have a pressure cooker. Can you explain all the abbreviations you used. I am a noob.
Read the sticky posts and look around here
If you injected spore syringe into premade grain expect failure
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