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magu
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Not sure where I've gone wrong... 3 tubs stalled? [PICS]
#25956804 - 04/26/19 12:57 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've posted a few times about my tubs already...
I went spore print > syringe > BRF cakes > coir > unmodified tubs (4* cakes per tub)
Things looked like they were going pretty well, had an uneven pinset but shrooms were growing which was a huge success as far as I was concerned.
I got advice to harvest the shrooms as they came in and give more FAE as the substrate looked wet. I did this, gave the tubs a few hours with basically no lid and had two days of cutting shrooms out as the veils broke. I counted 40g dried yesterday.
Now I am looking at this...

Basically looks to me like the tubs have stalled? I see loads of fuzzy growth on the stumps that I left and I'm getting less than a handfull of small shrooms and a whole bunch of pins that are growing to less than 1cm in height and veil breaking. They basically vanish in the dehydrator!
Am I doing something wrong or is this just "bad genetics" ?? If it's bad genetics do I have any chances of another flush?
Would really appreciate any advice about what to do as I'm sure I'll fuck things up if left to my own devices!
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Re: Not sure where I've gone wrong... 3 tubs stalled? [PICS] [Re: magu]
#25956828 - 04/26/19 01:12 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those stumps serve as a contam vector. You're better off having craters in your sub than letting the stumps rot. If that's a full size unmodded tub, and you're only using 4(I'm assuming half pint?) Brf cakes, that seems like a super low spawn ratio to me. It also appears that you're using different types of tubs; bod mentions in his tek that no mod tubs use a specific type of tub.
As for the size of your fruit, that's likely a mix of genetics and poor conditions. You may need to rehydrate that sub for your next flush, but I can't say for sure(pics dont load great from here on my phone).
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Re: Not sure where I've gone wrong... 3 tubs stalled? [PICS] [Re: Psilo_citizen]
#25956867 - 04/26/19 01:32 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Get the stumps out and soak the substrate for 8 - 12 hours. The stumps will mold, they are dead. If you remove them healthy mycelium will take their place in a day or so and if not then you know to watch for contaminants.
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Re: Not sure where I've gone wrong... 3 tubs stalled? [PICS] [Re: Professor X]
#25956929 - 04/26/19 02:01 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok thank you for the advice. Will get them stumps out of there and attempt to rehydrate. Fingers crossed
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Re: Not sure where I've gone wrong... 3 tubs stalled? [PICS] [Re: Psilo_citizen] 1
#25956940 - 04/26/19 02:04 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those stumps are FINE.
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bodhisatta said:People ask me a lot about STUMPS vs the twist and pull. I always leave stumps. They leave a nice microclimate for the next flush pinset. They do not cause contamination if you have a healthy substrate. A coir tub should go to flush 4 easily, if you let it go that long, with no contamination if your spawn is clean and you keep your conditions up.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24198162
With that said, your tubs look fine. Your technique has a ton potential areas of contam in them, and you could just be facing that right now. It's going to take a bit for your second flush to really come in. Did you soak the substrate after you harvested? You'll likely be fine if you did, and you just need to give it more time. If you're getting a super fast second flush with a lot of problems I would expect that your tubs are going to turn green in a couple of days.
Honestly all it sounds like is that you're smashing a bunch of teks together and hoping for the best. You know you can grow, now to work on following teks more closely.
Edited by ShaperDreaming (04/26/19 02:06 PM)
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Re: Not sure where I've gone wrong... 3 tubs stalled? [PICS] [Re: ShaperDreaming]
#25956964 - 04/26/19 02:12 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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ShaperDreaming said: Those stumps are FINE.
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bodhisatta said:People ask me a lot about STUMPS vs the twist and pull. I always leave stumps. They leave a nice microclimate for the next flush pinset. They do not cause contamination if you have a healthy substrate. A coir tub should go to flush 4 easily, if you let it go that long, with no contamination if your spawn is clean and you keep your conditions up.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24198162
With that said, your tubs look fine. Your technique has a ton potential areas of contam in them, and you could just be facing that right now. It's going to take a bit for your second flush to really come in. Did you soak the substrate after you harvested? You'll likely be fine if you did, and you just need to give it more time. If you're getting a super fast second flush with a lot of problems I would expect that your tubs are going to turn green in a couple of days.
Honestly all it sounds like is that you're smashing a bunch of teks together and hoping for the best. You know you can grow, now to work on following teks more closely.
I had read that before and that's why I originally left them in with no worries.
I haven't actually dunked the subs as feedback I got before the first flush was that they were too wet.
Totally agree with your comment and will work on fine tuning my technique and set up in my next grow 💪
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Re: Not sure where I've gone wrong... 3 tubs stalled? [PICS] [Re: magu]
#25956980 - 04/26/19 02:16 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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magu said: I haven't actually dunked the subs as feedback I got before the first flush was that they were too wet.
Totally agree with your comment and will work on fine tuning my technique and set up in my next grow 💪
Fuck yeah! You got this. Have you seen this thread yet for BRF to bulk? It's a great start if you don't have a pressure canner yet.
Also, for wetness...it's a tough game. Did you follow Bod's bucket tek for your coir? I recommend looking up how to get your field capacity down. It's super easy once you figure it out, and if you spawn to shoeboxes you shouldn't have to do any moisture control after you spawn to bulk.
Good luck!
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Re: Not sure where I've gone wrong... 3 tubs stalled? [PICS] [Re: ShaperDreaming]
#25957004 - 04/26/19 02:27 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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ShaperDreaming said: Those stumps are FINE.
Those stumps protrude half an inch easy above the sub surface at least. At the end of the day, if the spawn was clean and the sub appears healthy,harvest method is unlikely to be a factor, HOWEVER, if the sub is already struggling, I would much rather have a few craters than rotting stumps. Either way, there are much bigger issues here than method of harvest.
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Re: Not sure where I've gone wrong... 3 tubs stalled? [PICS] [Re: Psilo_citizen]
#25957019 - 04/26/19 02:32 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Psilo_citizen said: Either way, there are much bigger issues here than method of harvest.
Right, this is what I was getting at.
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Re: Not sure where I've gone wrong... 3 tubs stalled? [PICS] [Re: ShaperDreaming]
#25957137 - 04/26/19 03:21 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bod has some really cool techniques but there are a few that are highly questionable at best this being one of them. When the world's most renowned mycologists tell you to remove the stumps I tend to listen. I have also personally seen them rot before. I know I'm new here, I'm trying to get past paranoia, the first time I cultivated was in 1998 with a PF kit my friend bought, VHS and all. We would have never got anything had I not convinced him to let me take a crack at it after he grew good old penicillum jars.
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Re: Not sure where I've gone wrong... 3 tubs stalled? [PICS] [Re: Professor X]
#25957254 - 04/26/19 04:16 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Professor X said: Bod has some really cool techniques but there are a few that are highly questionable at best this being one of them. When the world's most renowned mycologists tell you to remove the stumps I tend to listen. I have also personally seen them rot before. I know I'm new here, I'm trying to get past paranoia, the first time I cultivated was in 1998 with a PF kit my friend bought, VHS and all. We would have never got anything had I not convinced him to let me take a crack at it after he grew good old penicillum jars.
To be honest I think just looking at them I can see the stumps need to go. I feel like they're draining the goodness out of my tubs
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Re: Not sure where I've gone wrong... 3 tubs stalled? [PICS] [Re: magu]
#25957360 - 04/26/19 05:12 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is a question... Should I harvest the stumps and dry them? Or just dispose?
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Re: Not sure where I've gone wrong... 3 tubs stalled? [PICS] [Re: magu]
#25957373 - 04/26/19 05:18 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I personally wouldn't bother trying to dry/ consume them. Had you harvested before myc retook them, then yea probably would've used em for tea.
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