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What is your key personal political positions? * 1
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Here's mine:

Altruism - imagine every member of the human tribe giving more of emotional worth than they take.

Science - to find the most efficient ways on how to truly stay altruistic and enjoy it.

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Is this related?

The Official "Here's Where i Stand On The Issues" Thread


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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It's related but not entirely what I'm looking for. I want members to write freely in this thread and not write based on a template.

Thanks for the link though - it's very interesting. :thumbup:

How about you fal, what is your key personal political positions?

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Pinkerton] * 2
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'Tax the Rich. It's Just That Simple'


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
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Agreed. That is the first and most important step towards global altruism.

I'm sickened how the very rich indulge in luxury while starving brown kids suffer. Little if anything has changed over time.

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
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Individual freedoms>safety


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Enlil]
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What happens if the free individual makes another individual unfree?

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Pinkerton]
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That's the whole purpose of law.


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Enlil]
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Surely, the law is not infallible (like any human institution) it is our best shot, though. You think judges and juries get it right, most of the time?


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Meh, in criminal cases yes. Civil depends a lot more on the skills of the attorneys.  Still,  I'm not saying the laws themselves are adequately balanced at this point.


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
That's the whole purpose of law.


I know. Certainly law is safety.

Why do you believe individual freedoms must trump safety?

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Individual freedoms>safety


This is a good sentiment. In another context, it can be referred to as the "paradox of tolerance", which necessarily leads to an intolerant society.

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Kryptos]
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My position is that this is a war. The rich and conservatives have won most of the battles since 1980 on economic issues (although the liberal/left have gained ground on social/cultural issues).

Yes I know I'm contradicting my own statements on the long term movement of this country to the left. I'm probably tied for being the oldest person here with one or two others, so my long term is longer than yours.

I say fight the conservatives tooth and nail to take back and increase the gains that FDR and I dare say Lyndon Johnson enacted.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
The truth which conceals that there is none

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
My position is that this is a war.


Bingo.

Many people claim religion is the root of all evil. It really is just a package that comes along with politics. Christian warfare and Islamic warfare is politics. Look at alt-right terrorists and Muslim terrorists, they're ultimately fighting for a better standard of living using religion as a cover to justify their wrongdoings. Survival means everything, that's why religious people cry at funerals and don't celebrate heaven.

Imagine living in a world where having the largest economy means more to grown up world leaders than children starving.

*AHEM!* That's planet Earth.

Politics guides the economy and the economy doesn't give a fuck about religions and the moral aspect of it. It's business as usual.

Institutional religion is a sub-element. Politics is the organizer.

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
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Pinkerton said:
Enlil said:
That's the whole purpose of law.


I know. Certainly law is safety.

Why do you believe individual freedoms must trump safety?


There must be balance, but that balance should favor individual freedom. Law is a means to help individual animals coexist.  In that way, it is necessarily a step away from our natural state. Clearly, society benefits from some laws, but when it starts pulling too far, humans don't react as well.

Neither position as an extreme can work for a society, but extreme safety makes us no longer human. Extreme freedom makes us no longer a society. The balance must tip in favor of being human.


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Neither position as an extreme can work for a society, but extreme safety makes us no longer human. Extreme freedom makes us no longer a society. The balance must tip in favor of being human.

I fear laws and I don't want to fear laws, I want to feel safe from laws but I still feel protected by laws and without laws I might have been suffering big time by now. Why do you bring up the extremes and why can't these two position be of equal importance?

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
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Because they're not. The only reason we need laws at all is the fact that humans won't peacefully coexist without them. We should only have enough laws to accomplish that goal and no more.


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
Because they're not. The only reason we need laws at all is the fact that humans won't peacefully coexist without them. We should only have enough laws to accomplish that goal and no more.


I like it.


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Because they're not. The only reason we need laws at all is the fact that humans won't peacefully coexist without them. We should only have enough laws to accomplish that goal and no more.


In this society I agree. :thumbup:

In my society human beings are creatures with limited freedom and strict doctrines in altruism and lovey-dovey peaceful emotional communion. Hippie-facism. It sounds harsh but I think it's the only way for us all to unite inside some sort of oneness. I'm all about liberation but human beings can't have too much of it. Extreme and even decent amounts of freedom ain't all that, it's often a threat to the individual, delusions comes to mind. Humans seems to reflect their environment and the universe sure is destructive. If we somehow managed to turn those destructive particles into advantageous particles I'm all about extreme freedom.

First and foremost I want to be drugged out of my mind on altruism, emotional communion, peace and love. Think constantly increasing MDMA, amphetamine and mescaline-high. :heart:

:havesomescience:

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
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Pinkerton said:
Enlil said:
Because they're not. The only reason we need laws at all is the fact that humans won't peacefully coexist without them. We should only have enough laws to accomplish that goal and no more.


In this society I agree. :thumbup:

In my society human beings are creatures with limited freedom and strict doctrines in altruism and lovey-dovey peaceful emotional communion. Hippie-facism. It sounds harsh but I think it's the only way for us all to unite inside some sort of oneness. I'm all about liberation but human beings can't have too much of it. Extreme and even decent amounts of freedom ain't all that, it's often a threat to the individual, delusions comes to mind. Humans seems to reflect their environment and the universe sure is destructive. If we somehow managed to turn those destructive particles into advantageous particles I'm all about extreme freedom.

First and foremost I want to be drugged out of my mind on altruism, emotional communion, peace and love. Think constantly increasing MDMA, amphetamine and mescaline-high. :heart:

:havesomescience:


That's a recipe for tyranny. Have you never read a history book?


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Enlil]
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Find me an argument against altruism, emotional communion, peace and love. :razz:

Benevolent dictatorship FTW.

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Pinkerton]
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I'm not against altruism, peace or love. I'm saying it's impossible to create or foster any of those things by operation of  law. Benevolent dictatorships work with pets and children... not grown humans.


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Enlil]
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Outsmart the law and the establishment and convince the masses and you're set. It's very difficult. :sad:

Why do you think evil dictators get to power and not the benevolent kind?

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
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Benevolence requires cooperation. Evil can be enforced with violence. Human cooperation is limited, particularly as populations increase


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
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Poverty is violence.


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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MAGA, economic nationalism, anti-globalization.

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
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Common Sense by Thomas Paine - Of Monarchy and Hereditary Succession

here's a section of a short and quite famous pamphlet.  If you haven't read it before, I recommend reading the entire thing. (it's a short read)

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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Poverty is violence.


:burke:

Did you post that on your smartphone while sitting in your BMW?


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Yes actually :lol:

But I think the fact I don’t directly deal with poverty makes it an all the more admirable position to hold.

Plus my bmw is like 10 years old


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
But I think the fact I don’t directly deal with poverty makes it an all the more admirable position to hold.



:wonka:


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
But I think the fact I don’t directly deal with poverty makes it an all the more admirable position to hold.



Admirable ≠ accurate


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Enlil]
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There will be a Federal election here in 2 weeks time.
The ABC has a nifty online questionnaire to help work out which political party most closely represents your views on key issues.



I found out I wasn't as Green as I thought I was and am basically still a Labour voter... which is useful to understand, as I was undecided on whether to vote Labour or Green.
Actually, it appears I may be turning Right Wing!  Man this 'getting older' business sucks.

https://votecompass.abc.net.au/survey

There are quite a few Aus-specific questions but other interesting immigration and social issue questions as well. Give it a try  :thumbup:


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Stable Genius]
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Don't trust a poll by the establishment media.  They will try and get you to think that you are more establishment than you really are.


I also took the questionnaire, and like you, it told me I'm not nearly as green as I know I am.  Here's why:

I strongly support a very high minimum wage, for example, as does the Green Party.

I know that Australia already has the highest minimum wage in the world, so for the question "How high should the minimum wage be?" my answer was "neutral" rather than "Much higher".  But to be counted as green, you had to answer "Much higher".

It's not a good poll.

Don't get tricked - vote Green!  :cool:


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Re: What is your key personal political positions? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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The poll's questions change each time you open the page. I thought it was interesting however I get what you're saying Falcon.

The wages question was slightly loaded as wages growth has stalled here, as well the
unemployment benefit has not risen for over 20 years.

The minor parties have changed the political landscape here and often end up with the balance of power.
If it wasn't for the Greens negotiating with Labour our Renewable Energy sector would still be languishing.

I'm a swinging voter and I think my measly vote does count.

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