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ShaperDreaming
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Re: Trich during / after first flush on almost all my tubs - help me diagnose why? [Re: Durgin] 1
#25956339 - 04/26/19 08:50 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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ShaperDreaming said: nulls, you got shoeboxes? Them surfaces are not going to look like the pictures from the "proper surface conditions" thread. Took me a min to realize those conditions only work for dialed in mono-tubs. If you're going un modded it's a bit different.
Ahh, thanks for that info! And yes, I'm working with mostly shoeboxes.
Shoeboxes are a bit more like a leap of faith. Don't be afraid to use your finger to test for saturation. Don't touch exposed grains or mushrooms, but a quick poke to the surface to feel if it's still damp, should be like poking a damp towel basically with nice spring back. But really it just takes some faith in knowing that you're set until your first flush finishes up. Leave that shit sealed the whole time, don't flip lids, don't fan, don't mist. Unless you're inspecting it for moisture just leave the damn lid on and latched until the last minute (or use bags like bod does).
I really need to put together my pseudo-casing tek... I'm spawning some shoe boxes this weekend, I'll try to put together a tek for how I prep my shoeboxes.
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Durgin said: Thanks everyone (even bod for classic bod snark). I tossed the tubs before reading these, but did harvest a fresh pound and a half from that mini mono beforehand so that makes me feel slightly better. I've slowed down for the moment but will take more pics in a few weeks when the next batch is ready to spawn.
And in the meantime, I'll enjoy the one second flush tub that's still going (there's a nice monster coming up and a couple dozen others) and leave my newest shoebox alone for the next week or so and hopefully that will go better.
Honestly, that'll get you where you're going until you grow more and get this figured out. So many people before even getting fruits, so you're doing more right than a lot of folks.
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Re: Trich during / after first flush on almost all my tubs - help me diagnose why? [Re: ShaperDreaming]
#25956560 - 04/26/19 10:52 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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My advice is a total restart. Use it as an excuse to dive back into this hobby head first. Get yourself a flowhood thats how I handled it. Lol. Going to be going laminar this weekend! But one thing is for sure. "Gonnies never say die"
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Professor X
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Re: Trich during / after first flush on almost all my tubs - help me diagnose why? [Re: Bph]
#25956582 - 04/26/19 11:05 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've started doing a coffee gypsum soak on my WBS and adding very to the jars, it's a little ugly but it works awesome to control moisture and eliminate bacteria which almost always prefaces trichoderma.
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ShaperDreaming
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Re: Trich during / after first flush on almost all my tubs - help me diagnose why? [Re: Professor X] 1
#25956614 - 04/26/19 11:21 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Professor X said: I've started doing a coffee gypsum soak on my WBS and adding very to the jars, it's a little ugly but it works awesome to control moisture and eliminate bacteria which almost always prefaces trichoderma.
What?! Where did you get this information about coffee eliminating bacteria?
If you're soaking your seeds before sterilization it doesn't matter what the hell you put into it... it comes out sterile, the bacteria will still get in if you put it there during inoculation. Coffee is super acidic and attracts lots of molds to it that grow way faster than mushroom mycelium. This is a risky option, especially if you're having problems with contam.
Seriously, stop spreading shit info all over these threads. Try citing some info and not just pumping out your personal thoughts w/o showing any proof that you know what you're doing. You're basically just making shit up.
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Professor X
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Re: Trich during / after first flush on almost all my tubs - help me diagnose why? [Re: ShaperDreaming]
#25956851 - 04/26/19 01:25 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Professor X said: I've started doing a coffee gypsum soak on my WBS and adding very to the jars, it's a little ugly but it works awesome to control moisture and eliminate bacteria which almost always prefaces trichoderma.
What?! Where did you get this information about coffee eliminating bacteria?
If you're soaking your seeds before sterilization it doesn't matter what the hell you put into it... it comes out sterile, the bacteria will still get in if you put it there during inoculation. Coffee is super acidic and attracts lots of molds to it that grow way faster than mushroom mycelium. This is a risky option, especially if you're having problems with contam.
Seriously, stop spreading shit info all over these threads. Try citing some info and not just pumping out your personal thoughts w/o showing any proof that you know what you're doing. You're basically just making shit up.
I use vermiculite for moisture control. I don't have contamination issues. I'm at a 0 percent contamination rate unless I do something stupid. As for shit info, you are the one telling people to open contaminated shit in their homes. Where did you find that TEK? I have personally read volumes on Mycology, and have never once read to take your contaminated jar to your SAB inside your home and open it. Wasn't there a guy not too long ago on this board that went to the ER after he opened a jar and gave it a little sniff. You can get as mad at me as you want but you are the one giving shit advice.
By the way, yes coffee is acidic and favors trich, that's why I use alkaline water to balance the PH, test strips confirmed. The mycelium loves it as well as the gypsum. I wasn't telling him to soak his millet in acidic slush I was telling him to use vermiculite in the millet jars to control moisture and fight contamination. I guess I'm just some idiot asshat child that spreads bad information. Sorry I didn't get that information from a tek, it came from Stephen Russell and Paul Stammets. Oh, I'm sure Roger Rabbit would agree, unless you have confirmed which of the 89 species of trichoderma you are dealing with through identification and taxonomy you should get it the hell out of your home like last week. Sure it could be a helpful plant symbiotic strain or it could be aggresivum which will almost surely require an entire home heat treatment similar to bed bug treatment you ever hope to grow any fungus other than it in your home again.
I agree a lot of fear mongering concerning contaminants takes place in this hobby/profession period but encouraging newbies to follow poor procedures that quite literally no one but you follows and is preached against to the point of force feeding is a major disservice not to mention dangerous (a member was hospitalized).
Any ways, I wholeheartedly disagree with your advice. You have a good day.
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Re: Trich during / after first flush on almost all my tubs - help me diagnose why? [Re: Professor X] 1
#25956905 - 04/26/19 01:52 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Professor X said: As for shit info, you are the one telling people to open contaminated shit in their homes. Where did you find that TEK?
RR saying to transfer away from contam on a plate
RR saying it again 6 years later
Eagle's Gift, a TC saying it
Oh another TC saying it
Here's Munchauzen saying it
Bod saying it
Unless you can think of a way to transfer off agar without opening a dish... then maybe you got something going for you.
You can say you read everything in the world on the topic, doesn't make you right. Quote Stamets all you want, but he has a poor reputation here for a reason.
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Professor X
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Re: Trich during / after first flush on almost all my tubs - help me diagnose why? [Re: ShaperDreaming]
#25957789 - 04/26/19 08:57 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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We aren't talking about a plate, this guy has tubs full of green monster. Dude.
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Re: Trich during / after first flush on almost all my tubs - help me diagnose why? [Re: Professor X] 1
#25957831 - 04/26/19 09:27 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh so like this
 You dump it in your trash and wash it out in your shower with some soap and use it again
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Durgin
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Re: Trich during / after first flush on almost all my tubs - help me diagnose why? [Re: bodhisatta]
#25957877 - 04/26/19 09:56 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Oh so like this
 You dump it in your trash and wash it out in your shower with some soap and use it again
For the record, they weren't nearly that bad, but I took them out to the deck and dumped in a trash bag and rinsed with a hose before throwing in the dishwasher to start fresh. So... Basically I'm ctrl-alt-deleting my last grows and will post pics of my next jars before spawning to double-check that it all looks right and then will take it from there.
In the meantime, I bought a proper dehydrator (based on bod's snarky-but-not-wrong critique of my use of my oven's dehydrate feature) and got a bit over an ounce cracker dry off the mini-mono. Also have a couple more dry ounces in the freezer (not the prettiest but definitely potent), and am expecting close to a dry ounce from the second flush of the one tub that's still going (the first two fruits were 33g wet, and there are a few dozen more fat ones still growing). So given that I've consumed maybe 10g dry in my entire life, I think I'll be ok for a while...
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Re: Trich during / after first flush on almost all my tubs - help me diagnose why? [Re: Professor X]
#25957882 - 04/26/19 10:03 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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By the way RR is the only one who says anything about transferring from mold. The rest are bacteria threads. Got a bacterial jar? Dump it and bleach the jar. Hell you can even birth it and get fruits sometimes. Moldy jar? Dispose of immediately. Like I said and correct me if I'm wrong but according to forum rules we are not supposed to hand out dangerous advice here. Opening a trichoderma culture that has not been positively identified is dangerous, some of the 89 species produce mycotoxins and are extremely dangerous to be around. The professionals wear hazmat suits when they deal with this shit. There's a poor guy in another thread right now that just keeps losing everything to green monster. Want to make a bet it started by opening a jar inside?
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Durgin
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Re: Trich during / after first flush on almost all my tubs - help me diagnose why? [Re: Durgin]
#25957883 - 04/26/19 10:04 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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For what it's worth, this is the remaining shoebox on second flush, after harvesting two very decent fruits (33g combined wet) that started to open up before the rest:

Some of the sub looks like it might be a little moldy, but I haven't misted or bottom watered this one at all so it seems like it's not growing, and the fruits are totally clean. Going to ride it out for the time being and see what I can get from this flush, then after harvest may dunk briefly and place outside to see if I can get anything else out of it before it's a lost cause.
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Re: Trich during / after first flush on almost all my tubs - help me diagnose why? [Re: Durgin]
#25957936 - 04/26/19 10:30 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Agar will help you find your issue. That and a S.. A. B. BOD HAS A SERIES OF SIMPLE AF TEKS Aand pasty has a no pour agar tek. Pasty no pur agar link
Bods easy af teks link (Chek out Sab link)
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Durgin
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Re: Trich during / after first flush on almost all my tubs - help me diagnose why? [Re: Anoobus]
#25957961 - 04/26/19 10:45 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks, but see original post - I'm using agar and a SAB. (A couple of these tubs came from spawn that I started before that, but most were A2G in my SAB.)
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