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clanniobium
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old horse poo any good?
#25952993 - 04/24/19 02:39 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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hello! newbie here.. I have picked a wheelbarrow of almost dry horsepoo from a horse pasture today.. Its spring here, and we've had two weeks of warm weather after a long, snowy and wet northern winter.. this horsepoo has been lying at least seven months on this pasture, and it has been subject to a lot of snow, cold and rain during this period.. I am wondering, as a newbie, will this horsepoo be good for bulk sub after such a long time under these conditions? After Ive dried and shredded it i cant notice any difference in smell or consistency from fresh horsepoo that Ive prepared the same way- ( I have only the experience of just one monotub and then i used fresh poo) .. Now I am thinking maybe this old poo has been all washed out of nutrients, or if there is something else wrong with it that dont meet the eye or the mind.. If anyone has any experience or considerations about this, please input! thanks
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bodhisatta 
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The old stuff is the only kind you should be using. Also your nutrition is coming from the spawn.
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Re: old horse poo any good? [Re: bodhisatta]
#25953486 - 04/24/19 07:18 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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If it smells like poo, it's not ready to use. It should smell like dirt and crumble easily.
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nulls


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Sure it's good, but still tastes like shit.
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clanniobium
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hmm okay, thanks.. that was a new thing to think about for me. Ive just taken it for given that it contains nutrients, and in that way increased the total of nutrients and increasing the "spectrum" of nutrients available for the mycelium, in addition to what it gets from the grain.. I know this is discussed ad infinitum in the forums, but as TC may I ask you what are the main reasons in your opinion to use hpoo instead of say coco- which Ive understood so far is to be considered completely inert? Ive read that if the manure only is pasteurised it will contain bacteria or fungi which are beneficial for the mycelial growth, and that the bad ones will be killed or at least reduced in numbers- is this a main reason for using hpoo- the beneficial stuff stuff surviving? or is this the main reason for the pasteurization of bulk sub of any kind? Is it a wrong assumption to make that if the hpoo is sterilised it would be more or less inert like coco? As I am writing this i see that I really dont have any clue of what are the main "tasks" of bulk subs in general anyways.. so, happy for any reply, but back to reading for me.
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clanniobium
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Re: old horse poo any good? [Re: nulls]
#25955020 - 04/25/19 03:55 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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yep sounds like what was in my wheelbarrow.. some mild smell of warm dirt and grass. thanks
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I did the same thing the other day but only with cow poop.I leave mine in a wheel barrel because it has holes inside it. I leave it in there until it rains. After it rains I mix it up every few hours until its dry. (Over a few days.) once it's dry I put it inside a 5 gallon bucket until needed.
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clanniobium
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is this serious or a joke? i would think fresh poo probably would have a stronger taste of poo than old stuff, if one were to eat it, but besides that you are saying its no problem using the fresh poo also? Ive used fresh stuff the first and only time I've done a mono tub before, and i did get in my view two decent flushes out of it. I powdered the the hpoo though, thinking it would make nutrients more easily available for the mycelium, but now Ive learned by what bodhisatta said that it really does not provide any nutrients.. Since that first mono tub I've read that powdered hpoo is not the ideal texture, because it makes the whole mycelium cake more condensed and this impacts negatively in some way.. is this correct and if so, what are the mechanisms of this? I did not get an even pinset though, all the fruiting happened in the center of the cake in both flushes, the second flush spreading a bit more on the outskirts of the remnants of the first flush.. could the powdering of the poo be a reason for this entering of the fruiting? I will try crumbling and not powdering for my next tub anyways.. Thanks for reply
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clanniobium
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okay cool, so this is old poo youve picked up, not fresh? what is your purpose of letting it rain on the poo, before drying it? leeching?
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The purpose is to wash away or allow other organisms to break down some of the less desirable components in the manure, like ammonia, so that it will support mushroom growth and not much else.
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May I ask where you're getting your info from? Can't possibly be from here.. Pretty much every TC over the last 10 years has been saying that manure needs to be out in the field getting rained on and sun bleached for a few months lol. You don't want fresh manure because it's filled with ammonia, especially when the animals pee in their shit, which happens all the time. You want that shit outta there. Bulk substrate is a water reservoir. It holds TONS of water that the mushrooms need. The spawn, which is not much of a water reservoir is filled with more nutrients than the mycelium even knows what to do with. Nutrients are important indeed, but seriously, tons of those nutrients are being wasted anyways. Mushrooms only use what they need, and the amount we give them is TONS compared to what they need.
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Quote:
clanniobium said: okay cool, so this is old poo youve picked up, not fresh? what is your purpose of letting it rain on the poo, before drying it? leeching?
Not to old and not to fresh. Right in the middle
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clanniobium
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Re: old horse poo any good? [Re: Mad Season]
#25955997 - 04/26/19 03:13 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol, pretty much everywhere until now.. Ill try to stick only with the TCs from now on, and probably getting more experience with the search function.. Have done a lot of reading over the last few months, but not very systematically. the fact you point out about nutes in abundance is new to me. thanks!
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Mad Season
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Here use the search function like this from now on.
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clanniobium
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Re: old horse poo any good? [Re: Mad Season]
#25956916 - 04/26/19 01:55 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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okay i will. thnks man
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