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The use of a PC in mycology
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When i started this hobby i was afraid to use grains since i had no pressure cooker and so many people from the shroomery will tell you its a waste of time without one, ive successfully done over 200 jars with no contamination in less than a month using fractional sterilization and popcorn ,the PF tek is good but honestly it is the biggest waste of time even though 9 out of 10 PF jars made it with no contamination and fruited amazingly they gave me much less than i would have liked compared to shoeboxe's and other more fruitful tek's not hating on PF tek just saying any grain is easier faster and produces much more over the same period of time just letting new mycologists know screw the pf tek you learn all the same knowledge using grains you know what they say keep it simple stupid no need to put extra work and tons of extra time into something that you will not be satisfied with in the end.


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I know the night will turn to gray
I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
We had to steal him from his fate
So he could see another day"

Edited by psychemyco (04/22/19 06:36 PM)

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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco] * 2
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Nice word castle. Unfortunately your experience doesn’t mirror that of most people. Too bad you didn’t have something more convincing to show us.

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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco]
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i steamed(no pc) a few batches of wbs for 8hrs back in the day. THAT was a waste of time but pf tek is hardly a waste.

go buy a pc.


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: mushboy]
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Word castle... :kittylaugh:


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Failboat]
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Many years back I had circumstances require the Tyndall approach (fractional sterilization) frequently. Done right that one absolutely works. Reliability is another matter ( things able to survive it aren't ubiquitous but don't seem to be rare is perhaps appropriate?) Also it's very inconvenient. I could easily buy a pressure cooker with an entry level in time lost.


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Secotoid]
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You did all those jars within a month. So they likely haven't gotten to a second or third flush. Come back when they do. :wink:


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Alchemycologist]
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Although the yields may not be as great on PF vs Grain, it does serve as a gateway into making magic. One day you are making lil half pinters the next day you are making DMT.  Anyone can pick up the PF tec and go to target or something and have a enough magic for personal use. Sometimes it is just relaxing to make some 1/2 pint jars and watch the lil buggers go nuts, not to mention it looks so fracking cool taking pics of lil half pint jars fully fruited.

Actually now I kind of want to make some...

Edit: Also, that's like 15 Jars a day man what the hell are you O.K LOL


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Edited by Nikanoru (04/23/19 01:14 AM)

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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: mushboy]
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ive been fractionally sterilizing my grain for 2 hours 3 days in a row with no contamination maybe your experience differs


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Pastywhyte]
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all im trying to say is that you dont need a pressure cooker if your just starting unless you have extra money for one the 3 days of sterilization is not hard and works the same in my experience


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I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Nikanoru]
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i completely agree im not trying to hate on pf tek its an amazing way to learn the hobby and has done me very well but moving to grains im kind of upset that i was told i cant do grains since i had no pressure cooker which is bs


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"And then I heard one of them say
I know the night will turn to gray
I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
We had to steal him from his fate
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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Pastywhyte]
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what would you like me to convince you with pictures? ill do a writeup once i get more jars ,a pc is nice to have but you dont need it unless your being really careless with your sterile technique or are too impatient to fractionally sterilize correctly


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I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
We had to steal him from his fate
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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Alchemycologist]
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they are gearing up for the second :heart: :thumbup:


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I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
We had to steal him from his fate
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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: mushboy]
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8 hours is way too long my man i did it for 2 hours everyday for 3 days with no time wasted since i was harvesting, taking prints, and making LC during that time


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"And then I heard one of them say
I know the night will turn to gray
I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
We had to steal him from his fate
So he could see another day"

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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Pastywhyte]
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i understand you trusted cultivators swear by a pressure cooker but in my experience its just not needed just wanna let new mycologists that are struggling with money but still want to go through with the process know you can use fractional sterilization and it works just as well


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"And then I heard one of them say
I know the night will turn to gray
I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
We had to steal him from his fate
So he could see another day"

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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Secotoid]
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unless your staring at it while its sterilizing you are not wasting any time


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I know the night will turn to gray
I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
We had to steal him from his fate
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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Pastywhyte]
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pasty your teks are great but your post doesn't contribute anything


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco] * 2
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Get back to us when your jars are fully colonized, or better yet once you grow some mushrooms.

3 days ago you're a first timer who doesn't know if his first jar is 100% colonized. Today you claim to have made 200 jars with 100% success!?!

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25945361

:thisfuckinguy:

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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco]
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:yawn:

It costs about a hundred bucks to do a bulk grow with grains including the grain, the coir, the jars and the PC.


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Grimsweeper]
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a good pressure cooker is $80 to $300 jars are $8 a 12 pack vermiculite is $20 perlite is $30 popcorn is $2 or $3 a bag its not cheap for me and many other people who get shut down by the "get a pc or youll fail" it really turns people off to the hobby


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I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: foragedfungus]
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do you know its still illegal i can take pictures of one jar and get the information i need its funny you looked at it like that its better to have less posts and for people to think your new than to have a thousand posts with all your work out in the open for anyone to look at im sorry im careful


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I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
We had to steal him from his fate
So he could see another day"

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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco]
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Just condense your thoughts and make one reply at a time.


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco] * 2
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Pastys post does contribute to the discussion because you're saying something is a success when you havent even harvested mushrooms from it yet.  My first bulk attempts I was convinced my jars were gonna succeed (cut some corners) and I was telling my friends to get ready to trip like the dickens and then all my tubs went green before the first flush. 

If 80% or more of your jars succeed I'll be blown away. Actually I'd say if 50% succeed I'd shit my drawers


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco]
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U don't NEED vermiculite when doing grains and u don't need perlite either... Just coir and grain. I always shop around when buying a PC. U can find good deals out there. I got my first one on FB marketplace brand new never used for $80 and it came with 5 12packs of jars, 6 packs of extra lids and a whole bunch of canning stuff I could use for mycology. Best $80 I've ever spent! It has paid for it self a thousand fold.

I get what ur saying if ur just starting out why not give ur idea a try to get ur feet wet. Sure, but it doesn't replace a PC. I use my PC for alot more then just grain. Plus once u really get into this hobby, waiting 3 days for grains to get done would suck! Even if it does work.


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Edited by Apc123 (04/23/19 08:07 AM)

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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Psicomb]
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pastys post was an underdeveloped opinion he should have thought harder about i dont cut corners i use what works and thats what everyone was telling me with pf tek and guess what 1 jar contaminated out of the bunch i did all of them fruited even tho everyone was telling me the same bullshit you are


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I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
We had to steal him from his fate
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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco]
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Dont fall for this troll.

No where does it say you need a PC. But PCs make life easier to the point that they become nessicities. If you grew more than a handleful of grain jars you'd understand why.

Popcorn is also a shitty grain. I'd explain why but.. :trolldance:

and stop with the multiple posts that shits annoying:crankey:


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: mushboy]
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mush what you just said is all i was trying to get across a pc is good to have but fractional sterilization isnt out of the question i would actually like to know why popcorn is not a great grain was thinking about g2g to some rye with some of the popcorn jars sorry for the chain posts


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I know the night will turn to gray
I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
We had to steal him from his fate
So he could see another day"

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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: mushboy]
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i have a pc i just wanted new people know fractional sterilization is viable


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I know the night will turn to gray
I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
We had to steal him from his fate
So he could see another day"

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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco]
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Stop coming across like you've discovered fire with this realization. You'd get a better reaction.

Popcorn sucks because it's hard to properly hydrate and the larger hulls actually have less surface area than smaller easier to work grains like wbs blends, wheat, rye or even oats.

More surface area is useful for colonizing speeds and inoculation points.


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: mushboy]
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thank you i will be switching soon :heart: :thumbup:


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I know the stars will start to fade
When all the darkness fades away
We had to steal him from his fate
So he could see another day"

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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco] * 1
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Could the OP please stop needlessly bumping this thread. It may be a scintillating discussion to some but it’s disrespectful to other people’s threads to have this one constantly bumped by its OP. Thanks.


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco] * 1
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psychemyco said:
do you know its still illegal i can take pictures of one jar and get the information i need its funny you looked at it like that its better to have less posts and for people to think your new than to have a thousand posts with all your work out in the open for anyone to look at im sorry im careful


Do you know what exif files are? Download any image uploaded to shroomery and tell me what the source of it is. You won't be able to because uploading to the shroomery strips an image of its exif files. Without proof of ownership, you can't get plugged for shit. Besides in the 20+ years shroomery has been around, not one member has been plugged for posting on here, just fyi.

psychemyco said:
pasty your teks are great but your post doesn't contribute anything


It does actually. It mirrors our standards on this site. If every noob could come in here saying dudes stop using good teks. My half assed method works great. Don't have any pics though, but take my word for it. I've done 200 jars with this! If we didn't tell them to step it up and prove your shit, this whole website would be rampant with terrible info.

If you're gunna post something controversial, try posting pics with it too. Otherwise you're gunna have a whole thread of skeptics, as seen here.


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Mad Season]
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i didn't know the shroomery did that you dont know whos been busted to say you do just shows what your level of ignorance is i still wouldn't want to take the chance i honestly have nothing to prove and BTW if you learn to read i actually enjoyed doing the pf tek its just a much longer more wasteful process that is over glorified and costs more money than popcorn and jars pasty's post didn't contribute to anything his post was actually the least informative piece of shit ive heard on the site from a trusted cultivator if your standards are from people who will never look at a different way of doing things have fun and stay in your box a pc is good to have but fractional sterilization works for grains its not a controversy its a fact


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco] * 2
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Can someone close this thread please


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: foragedfungus] * 1
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psychemyco said:
“I honestly have nothing to prove”
“fractional sterilization works for grains its not a controversy its a fact”


If you’re gonna make statements that end in its a fact, you do indeed have something to prove


And explain this?
foragedfungus said:
Get back to us when your jars are fully colonized, or better yet once you grow some mushrooms.

3 days ago you're a first timer who doesn't know if his first jar is 100% colonized. Today you claim to have made 200 jars with 100% success!?!

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25945361

:thisfuckinguy:


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: AyePlus]
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i already explained that you answered it i answered you


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco]
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i showed one jar because i started a month ago with grains i was trying to be humble about it but you scum bags read books by the cover obviously livng your lives behind a screen no worries i wont post anymore on this toxic site anyway have fun with your outdated teks


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco] * 1
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:triggered:


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco] * 1
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No, you didn’t.

Looks like you’re a bald faced liar to me. And pushing crap mwthods with your lies to boot. I hope you get enough mushrooms to get your head where you obviously  need to go but I doubt you’ll have much success.

:maximumtrolling:

Good riddance


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: psychemyco]
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You are the one coming in with an attitude, claiming success.
Therefore it is up to you to support those claims.
Around here the way you prove success is with pictures of mushrooms grown using these methods.

The most ridiculous part of all this is that no one said fractional sterilization doesn't work.
It does work, so does steaming jars for 8+ hours. It's just that a PC is better, because it is faster, easier, and more reliable.
Just like no one said popcorn won't work, but there are better grains to use.

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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: foragedfungus]
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Three months ago asking for advice on how to start his first PF Tek.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25757189

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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Grimsweeper] * 4
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He is promoting fractional sterilization as an alternative to outdated methods? I would like to also propose the use of horse and buggy as an alternative method of transport to the outdated...car.

Fractional sterilization is a poor method that can work, but isn’t super reliable. It also takes forever. I ain’t got 3 days to get my grains run, my time is worth more than that.

At any rate I gave him a few days to think it over. Had enough of his ad hominem arguments and double posting. Hopefully that gives him enough time to finish sterilizing a round of grains.


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Pastywhyte]
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thought we were free to express :crazy2: :confused:


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Re: The use of a PC in mycology [Re: Tornarsuk] * 1
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Tornarsuk said:
thought we were free to express :crazy2: :confused:


You are free to express anything on topic for the board provided you do it within the rules outlined. Ad hominem arguments are against the rules as is double posting. OP made a few ad hominem remarks and also made 9 consecutive bumps of his thread and continued to do so after I issued a warning. At that point the hammer comes out.

Also while you can express any position you want, everyone else is free to disagree with that position. I feel that pf tek is often underestimated and most people’s issues with it stem from not following the tek and attempting to innovate. At that point when they have issues they declare that PF tek is no good. That’s like poking holes in a condom and then complaining when you end up getting a chick prego.


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Pasty dropping in like bran this season haha


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