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    #25942699 - 04/19/19 02:05 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Hey guys, currently looking for a decent 85cc dirt bike that would suit a begginer. Have a about $3k to spend on a used bike in Australia. Any reccomendations on what I should look at?


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: tynan]
    #25942838 - 04/19/19 04:32 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

2-stroke or 4-stroke?

85cc is pretty small. I would at least 150cc. Best brands are Kawasaki, Honda, and Yamaha.


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #25942858 - 04/19/19 04:53 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

For you or a child?
As LC said 85cc is quite small.
I’d go 4-stroke for a beginner a lot more forgiving.

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Re: Motorbikes [Re: tynan] * 2
    #25942988 - 04/19/19 07:36 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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85cc is pretty small. I would at least 150cc. Best brands are Kawasaki, Honda, and Yamaha.



Completely agree. I'm an old school smoker so I'd go two stroke all the way. 125 for a beginner (CR125 was my first bike at 15). This is my 250 which currently resides in Oz. It's a handful alright:



I'm also a Honda guy through and through, so that's what I'd recommend. If you're purely on dirt, two stroke is so much more fun. If you're gonna use it on tarmac too then four would (perhaps) be better.


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #25943044 - 04/19/19 08:32 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Sorry, not rly a serious reply but right as I saw this post a friend was talking about selling this bike.



Prob not what you would be after tho haha.
Pretty decent collection here, there's also a Yamaha wr450 and some kind of Triumph touring bike.

Anyway, good luck in your endeavour. Friend suggest the older Honda's? But I actually know little on the subject haha


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: Gallusgallus229] * 1
    #25943116 - 04/19/19 09:38 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Get a trials bike! 



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Re: Motorbikes [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25943145 - 04/19/19 10:05 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Gallusgallus229 said:
Sorry, not rly a serious reply but right as I saw this post a friend was talking about selling this bike.



Prob not what you would be after tho haha.
Pretty decent collection here, there's also a Yamaha wr450 and some kind of Triumph touring bike.

Anyway, good luck in your endeavour. Friend suggest the older Honda's? But I actually know little on the subject haha



That's a Ducati Multistrada. I nearly bought one but decided on the Hyperstrada instead as it was a lot more of a lunatic (and I like psycho bikes):



In fact, I tend to fall a bit madly in love when it comes to bikes:


**NO QUOTES**

Anyways, COMPLETELY agree on the older Honda line of thinking. Easy to work on, reliable, great bikes, etc. A Ducati, by comparison, is a fucking liability. Horrible to work on and breaks ALL the time.

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Get a trials bike! 





I don't reckon that's at all appropriate for a first timer. Way too specialised.


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Edited by Jokeshopbeard (04/19/19 10:51 AM)


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25943169 - 04/19/19 10:19 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Probably a 125cc would be better, that's a 300cc in the pic. Trials bikes are actually a better starter bike I think because it teaches you balance and proper technique. If you go fast enough then you can go over pretty much anything on a dirt bike. Trying to go slow and get over something big will greatly improve your technique in trials, motocross, and on-road biking.

I agree with getting a Honda, or Montesa if you go with a trials bike. Montesa is the Honda line of Trials.



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Re: Motorbikes [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25943180 - 04/19/19 10:29 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Trials bikes are actually a better starter bike I think because it teaches you balance and proper technique.



I completely disagree. A beginner just needs something to be cautious on, that they can then master with time. The fact that trials bikes lack a seat is non-conducive to a learner, who needs time in the saddle, not to start tricking it up from the get go. I very much doubt the guy in that video started on a trials bike.

3k AUD would easily get something like this:



OP - Are you handy with a spanner?


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 3
    #25943354 - 04/19/19 12:29 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

My kids did well on KTM 85ccSX at the track if that's what you are looking for.

From an old Vet rider.



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Re: Motorbikes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25943486 - 04/19/19 01:17 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Nice dirtbike Jokeshop :thumbup:


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25944104 - 04/19/19 06:41 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Lophosaurus said:
Trials bikes are actually a better starter bike I think because it teaches you balance and proper technique.



I completely disagree. A beginner just needs something to be cautious on, that they can then master with time. The fact that trials bikes lack a seat is non-conducive to a learner, who needs time in the saddle, not to start tricking it up from the get go. I very much doubt the guy in that video started on a trials bike.

3k AUD would easily get something like this:



OP - Are you handy with a spanner?




He should get whatever he wants of course, but a trials bike would be great for him. Beginner trials riders hardly ever take the bike out of 1st or 2nd. The Pro's don't need much more than 3rd gear so a trials bike is great for being cautious.

Trials teaches you balance, proper form, to look ahead and plan, and how to "fall" too. Trials is more about clutch control than a motocross bike. They are also much lighter. The seat is irrelevant. How do you even learn balance if you're sitting on a seat?

People who start on trials bikes are generally much better than riders who start on motocross or trail bikes IME because of the reasons listed above. Again, anybody can go fast, but going slow is a whole different animal. Moto just teaches you to use more gas when you get in trouble.

And obviously he isn't going to start out doing tricks. The best thing to do to start is doing figure 8's without dabbing and getting tighter and tighter until you're full lock turning. Then moving to a slope. Then balancing in place and pivoting in place. In other words, start with the boring basics if you really want to be good.


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: tynan] * 1
    #25944110 - 04/19/19 06:43 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Hey guys, currently looking for a decent 85cc dirt bike that would suit a begginer. Have a about $3k to spend on a used bike in Australia. Any reccomendations on what I should look at?



Do you want a dirtbike, or do you want a motorcycle that can do some exploring off road?

Either way, don't skimp on the riding gear.  No fun landing on your head without a neckbrace (which, incidentally, can also prevent aortic dissection) or shattering your ankles because you kicked a rock while wearing combat boots.  Tall motocross boots pay for themselves the first time that you aren't crippled for life.


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: chibiabos] * 1
    #25944250 - 04/19/19 08:04 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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tynan said:
Hey guys, currently looking for a decent 85cc dirt bike that would suit a begginer. Have a about $3k to spend on a used bike in Australia. Any reccomendations on what I should look at?



Do you want a dirtbike, or do you want a motorcycle that can do some exploring off road?

Either way, don't skimp on the riding gear.  No fun landing on your head without a neckbrace (which, incidentally, can also prevent aortic dissection) or shattering your ankles because you kicked a rock while wearing combat boots.  Tall motocross boots pay for themselves the first time that you aren't crippled for life.




Loposaures - best way ime - go slow to go fast especially tight single track snot.

chibiabos speaks truth, good gear saves lives.  Been broken a lot over the years.

To those who ride rocks, how is it that a rock always seems to find its way in between the top of your riding boots and knee brace??  Last real bad bone bruise happened that way..least it was not broke.  ouch LOL gettin old


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: StoneJackBaller]
    #25944829 - 04/20/19 01:52 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

You don't notice the pointy bits that bounce off of your armor.  :shrug:

I wish that I could ride in the dirt.  Unfortunately I live in a place that's lousy with self righteous hippy wannabes who would consider it the crime of the century if I so much as checked out a fire road.  Which isn't to say that I'm above playing dumb if there's a lack of signage to prohibit motor vehicles...


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: tynan]
    #25945153 - 04/20/19 08:15 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ive fallen off a dirt bike twice. Fuckin hurts. Im much a fan of quads, more safe in my opinion.

But dirt biking is still awesome (yet more dangerous).


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #25945177 - 04/20/19 08:44 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Quads honestly seem more dangerous to me, but I'm not exactly the powersport expert here.


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: chibiabos]
    #25945210 - 04/20/19 09:24 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Ive ridden both before. In my experience, quads feel safer offroad :shrug:

Your mileage may vary :datass:


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25945223 - 04/20/19 09:42 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
85cc is pretty small. I would at least 150cc. Best brands are Kawasaki, Honda, and Yamaha.



Completely agree. I'm an old school smoker so I'd go two stroke all the way. 125 for a beginner (CR125 was my first bike at 15). This is my 250 which currently resides in Oz. It's a handful alright:



I'm also a Honda guy through and through, so that's what I'd recommend. If you're purely on dirt, two stroke is so much more fun. If you're gonna use it on tarmac too then four would (perhaps) be better.






what about the old 55cc honda bikes?  i've heard those things were incredible back in the day.


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Re: Motorbikes [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #25945309 - 04/20/19 10:52 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Ive ridden both before. In my experience, quads feel safer offroad :shrug:




Not safer to have on top of you if things really go south though.


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