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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #25938077 - 04/16/19 01:42 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

This thread is a fascist paradise. :facepalm3:


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #25938115 - 04/16/19 02:02 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Why should't it be decided upon if people can or cannot procreate? A board of scientist could come up with a pretty decent checklist. You missing some of the marks, bam sterilized! Forcefully if need be.


I dont see the point you are making. A lot of things are enforced and put into laws that I as an individual do not agree with. It still happens. There are no intrinsic rights people have



well that was very common in North America until very recently.

nothing should be off limits to the government? they should be allowed to steal from us, kill us, censor us, compell us to speak, search and seize at will as long as they decide its ok? there should be no objective standard of morality? the government should be allowed to decide on anything?

according to that logic the nazis acted justly because they implemented policy and acted according to that policy. they didnt do anything wrong by your standards. because what constitutes right and wrong is simply decided upon by authority.

the declararion of independance says that the purpose of government is to secure certain unalienable human rights given by god, which predate government. thats the founding principal of the United States.

should we do away with the concept of innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and instead the government will just punnish or not punnish whoever they decide? why have a justice system if nobody has rights and everything is up to the government?


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #25938128 - 04/16/19 02:07 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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nothing should be off limits to the government? they should be allowed to steal from us, kill us, censor us, compell us to speak, search and seize at will as long as they decide its ok? there should be no objective standard of morality? the government should be allowed to decide on anything?



No, but that's exactly how it is right now and you're living in a fantasy land if you think it's any different.


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #25938130 - 04/16/19 02:08 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

At the end of the day here though, I think we can all agree, banana man included: euthenizing severely deformed fetuses or babies will be a good idea, and will take some pressure off of humanity


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25938161 - 04/16/19 02:24 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Tripsurfer said:
Why should't it be decided upon if people can or cannot procreate? A board of scientist could come up with a pretty decent checklist. You missing some of the marks, bam sterilized! Forcefully if need be.


I dont see the point you are making. A lot of things are enforced and put into laws that I as an individual do not agree with. It still happens. There are no intrinsic rights people have



We need licenses to drive cars, use guns, or perform some of the most difficult and important jobs in the world, but yet the very most difficult thing there is to do as a human - to raise and care for a new life - we can do with impunity. And those that often seem least qualified and/or able to do so are the ones that seem to be doing most of it.

I think a world in which only those which were competently able to show that they could care for, educate, and foster those most important to our species - the children - would be a utopia. One in which mental health issues, sexual assault and murder didn't run so rampant. One in which we would have a majority of healthy, rather than unhealthy minds roaming our planet.

Of course it's a shitty pipedream cause it'll never happen, but there's an obvious fallacy in simply allowing anyone to breed as much as they like and then supporting them for it endlessly.



you have a utopian vision of the world and you are willing to give the government ultimate power in order to realize that vision. id dont see how thats much different from hitler, stalin or any other tyrant from the 20th century. the usa was built on limited government and individual liberty. valuing your vision of a perfect world over individual liberty is bad. regardless of how much better you think the world would be. the end never justifies the means.

we did sterilize people based on criteria decided on by people until not too long ago. why arent we living in a utopia? oh they didnt do it right? you should be in charge of making all the choices?

i am not trying to say at all that if only i were in charge and had ultimate power things would be perfect. thats what you are saying though and thats scary


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #25938171 - 04/16/19 02:29 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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you have a utopian vision of the world and you are willing to give the government ultimate power in order to realize that vision.



As you've accused so many of doing above, you have completely misunderstood me and jumped to the conclusion that you know what I'm trying to portray/get across, rather than trying to understand me further by asking me to elaborate.

We live in a dystopian world. A utopian world would be almost entirely different from what we have.

But it doesn't matter anyway because it is what it is and there's nothing we can do to change that.

I still enjoy spitballing about it all, but I'm doing this as a form of entertainment only.

I like sharing opinions with people. I'm not trying to change anything or anyone.


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25938172 - 04/16/19 02:29 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
nothing should be off limits to the government? they should be allowed to steal from us, kill us, censor us, compell us to speak, search and seize at will as long as they decide its ok? there should be no objective standard of morality? the government should be allowed to decide on anything?



No, but that's exactly how it is right now and you're living in a fantasy land if you think it's any different.



1. that as nothing to do with anything. i asked if thats how it should be. and i said the declaration of independence and constitution would say no.

2. well the US government steals from people by collecting taxes without just compensation for example but they still cant censor people or compel them to speak for example. the usa hasnt acted totally in line with the constitution but they cant get away with anything


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #25938179 - 04/16/19 02:31 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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1. that as nothing to do with anything. i asked if thats how it should be. and i said the declaration of independence and constitution would say no.



The document you refer to aint worth the paper it's priinted on. It's shit. It's a fucking pipedream that was lost a long time ago.

I don't think there's much at all about this world that is 'how it should be'.

Can we do anything other than talk about it?

If so, what?

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BANANA.MAN said:
2. well the US government steals from people by collecting taxes without just compensation for example but they still cant censor people or compel them to speak for example. the usa hasnt acted totally in line with the constitution but they cant get away with anything



I think you're sorely mistaken, personally. I think they can and will get away with anything, and the world is setup, at this point, to let that happen.


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25938180 - 04/16/19 02:33 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Jokeshopbeard said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
you have a utopian vision of the world and you are willing to give the government ultimate power in order to realize that vision.



As you've accused so many of doing above, you have completely misunderstood me and jumped to the conclusion that you know what I'm trying to portray/get across, rather than trying to understand me further by asking me to elaborate.

We live in a dystopian world. A utopian world would be almost entirely different from what we have.

But it doesn't matter anyway because it is what it is and there's nothing we can do to change that.

I still enjoy spitballing about it all, but I'm doing this as a form of entertainment only.

I like sharing options with people. I'm not trying to change anything or anyone.




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Jokeshopbeard said: I think a world in which only those which were competently able to show that they could care for, educate, and foster those most important to our species - the children - would be a utopia




you said you think you could bring about a utopia by giving power to the government to decide who reproduces.

im just talking here too. im saying i dont see how thats different from anyone else who is willing to give power to the government to realize their utopian vision. thats my view. you put something out there. i explained why i dont accept it.


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: trees]
    #25938206 - 04/16/19 02:46 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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trees said:
At the end of the day here though, I think we can all agree, banana man included: euthenizing severely deformed fetuses or babies will be a good idea, and will take some pressure off of humanity



im not sure you understand what i think actually. you keep dodging my replies then coming back and starting again. addressing each others points is how we have a productive discussion. the point isnt to say "whatever you dont understand" or "well you have to agree with this" why dont you address the posts you skipped over? im trying to have a discussion here. i like talking to people.

it doesnt matter what i think would be better. if i violate human rights to get us there the end doesnt justify the means. there are lots of rules I try to live by that I wouldnt want to impose on anyone else.

besides when people infringe upon individual liberty in the name of making the world a better place it tends to end horribly. just look at any communist country.


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25938424 - 04/16/19 04:51 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
1. that as nothing to do with anything. i asked if thats how it should be. and i said the declaration of independence and constitution would say no.



The document you refer to aint worth the paper it's priinted on. It's shit. It's a fucking pipedream that was lost a long time ago.

I don't think there's much at all about this world that is 'how it should be'.

Can we do anything other than talk about it?

If so, what?

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BANANA.MAN said:
2. well the US government steals from people by collecting taxes without just compensation for example but they still cant censor people or compel them to speak for example. the usa hasnt acted totally in line with the constitution but they cant get away with anything



I think you're sorely mistaken, personally. I think they can and will get away with anything, and the world is setup, at this point, to let that happen.



oh i agree it could get to that point. what im saying is it hasnt yet so im not mistaken.

so because they lost their way and went against their founding principals they should do away with those principals? because we havent done the best job at securing human rights we should give up on securing those human rights? let me know if im misunderstanding but it sounds like thats what you are saying. im just trying to clarify.


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #25938430 - 04/16/19 04:55 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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are you even reading my posts?



I'm barely skimming them at this point and suspect I'm not alone in that. Make a good point once in a while, other people are doing it

Turned into a pretty great thread I agree


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #25938442 - 04/16/19 05:03 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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BANANA.MAN said:
are you even reading my posts?



I'm barely skimming them at this point and suspect I'm not alone in that. Make a good point once in a while, other people are doing it

Turned into a pretty great thread I agree



if im not making any good points then you should have no problem refuting my points. instead you have resorted to just implying im too stupid to bother with.

if my points are so bad can you please explain why? ive been addressing all of your points.

when you dont read my posts you end up like trees not even knowing what my position is and arguing against a strawman.


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #25938490 - 04/16/19 05:33 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

We're just on two different wavelengths. Your points just seem irrelevant to me. And I'm not saying that to be shitty anymore, what you say just doesn't make a lot of sense to me and thats fine. I agree to disagree


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #25939149 - 04/17/19 12:11 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I thought the twins were actually stuck together at the dicks like the fore skin wrapped around to the other twins dick and when they pulled apart their dicks got long and stretchy but when they pushed them together they got fat and hard


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #25939180 - 04/17/19 01:00 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I am not making any claims about objective right and wrong (you cant actually). But since you have brought up Hitler lets look into that part.

Eugenics in Nazi Germany was completely lawful within that political system. At the same time there was also quite extensive research into Eugenics in the US. Then the Allies walked in and decided everything the Nazi's did was unlawful. How did they manage this? By enforcing their new ethical points of view. After WW2 everything associated with the Nazi's got such a bad rep that a lot of research went incognito but continued nonetheless.

Another example: Abortion

Regardless of whether or not you think it is right/ethical, women in the US and here (The Netherlands) have the right to have an abortion up to a certain number of weeks. Now what gives them this right? I believe it is the enforcement of this right by the government. Now if for example IS (the horror) would invade the US and take over this right would probably be taken from away. Again by force.

The point I am trying to make is that 'the right to' anything is directly related to the ability to enforce this right. Societies themselves create what is right and wrong within their sphere of influence. Now you can disagree but as long as you are not able to enforce your views they are not lawful and you will have to conform to the 'rights' awarded you by the ruling government.


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Re: Conjoined twins attached at the dick [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #25941258 - 04/18/19 09:44 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

well we didnt simply stop eugenics just because the nazis were into it. we continued after ww2 was over. we didnt just say "the bad guys do it, it must be bad" we realized that eugenics doesnt belong in a free society.

Individual rights are the rights we would have in the absence of government or law to as you say "enforce" rights. for example, we all as individuals would protect our life if someone tried to take it. thats the basis for securing the right to life.

just because a right is infringed doesnt mean you never had it in the first place.

i dont want to keep going around in circles and repeating myself here so im just going to agree to disagree. my position remains that governments do not grant or take away individual rights, they simply protect or infringe them.

good talk.


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