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Alternative Energy
    #25938349 - 04/16/19 04:09 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Alternative energies are pretty sweet. They dont produce much energy like traditional coal, gas and nuclear plants do, but its still awesome to imagine getting energy from natural sources.

So far, theres wind turbines, ocean-wave harnessing, water dams, geo-thermal, photo-electric and thermo-electric.

But now theres a new one, extracting electricity from snowfall! https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/winters-are-only-going-to-get-worse-so-researchers-invented-a-way-to-generate-electricity-from-snowfall/ar-BBVZOwJ

Incredible invention in my opinion. It could be big some day.

Whats your favorite type of alternative energy source?


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 3
    #25938384 - 04/16/19 04:25 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

I think the best source of energy is not an alternative, but nuclear. Nuclear power generation produces no carbon emissions, is very feasible, produces as waste only low-level products that can easily and safely be dealt with, and is hugely efficient. Despite Fukushima, which was mismanaged and an generated an avoidable meltdown, it can be done safely and properly if done right. I think the biggest aversion to it for the masses is fear of the word "nuclear," which frightens people. This is by far the best way to make the power grid "green."


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #25938392 - 04/16/19 04:29 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Lignocellulose Biofuel is most likely be a major player in 50 years. A few breakthrough innovations will shoot the market sky high.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: BrotanicalMatt] * 1
    #25938496 - 04/16/19 05:35 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

i want to build geothermal greenhouse, if i could ever get anyone to help dig..

basically, it's a plastic drainage pipe buried about 8ft underground and idk 400 ft long,
a fan pumps air threw pipe which collects ground heat in winter or ground cooling in summer, constant temp. about 67F


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #25940636 - 04/17/19 09:12 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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I think the best source of energy is not an alternative, but nuclear. Nuclear power generation produces no carbon emissions, is very feasible, produces as waste only low-level products that can easily and safely be dealt with, and is hugely efficient. Despite Fukushima, which was mismanaged and an generated an avoidable meltdown, it can be done safely and properly if done right. I think the biggest aversion to it for the masses is fear of the word "nuclear," which frightens people. This is by far the best way to make the power grid "green."




For now no one can discount the energy density and on-demanded aspect of nuclear power.  However the factors of fuel and enrichment provide problems as well.  Fuel, likely uranium, needs to be mined and transported to enrichment facilities.  Enriching the uranium is an energy intensive process, granted when used as reactor fuel its not as much as say...weaponized enrichment.  There is also production of enrichment byproducts that are toxic to the environment, likely uranium hexafluoride.  I am not sure if uranium hexafluoride is a problem with laser enrichment but there are no laser enrichment facilities that I know of at the moment. 

Nuclear waste is also an interesting problem and it differs by country.  In the US, for example, the NRC/DOE controls all waste produced because we are deathly afraid of proliferation.  This results in very hazardous spaces (Hanford site in WA, Savannah River site in SC) being produced and environmental catastrophes resulting in those spaces.  Now take a country like France, where nuclear plants are required to contain and store all waste on-site and it has less of a concentration density and transport hazard.  The containment measures we see at those sites are greatly improved over those we see in the US.

But it still comes down to the fact that compared to sources of energy that don't need to be mined, transported, and enriched...its not really green.  Nuclear IS needed for us to meet energy demand while the world implements more renewable sources of energy production without continuing burning through fossil fuels.  Unfortunately plants are VERY expensive to build (the two new(er) generation plants being built in Georgia bankrupted Westinghouse).  Unfortunately the plants that have passed regulatory scrutiny that we are building (AP1000's) are not at the forefront of nuclear technology to prevent mechanical and user-errors that have caused all of the past 3 major nuclear accidents.  The AP1000 is safer than the dinosaurs we are still using, but the cost is not worth the added safety for many companies (see Westinghouse/Toshiba).  Getting the latest generation technologies into a fully built and functional reactor would be a substantial investment that most would say is prohibitive.  It would be an entirely different story if all research and construction on nuclear reactors did not halt after the accidents and of the 20th century, but they did...and the safe technology is very far behind from being used.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Mr. Bojangles]
    #25940654 - 04/17/19 09:20 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

To the OP...my favorite alternative energy source is the one that can use its local resources efficiently. 

Currently we have a problem with transport and storage of power generated.  The storage issue is coming along but we are not going to be transporting electricity from the midwest US all over the country.  There's a reason power plants are placed where they are, they serve areas...that will not be different with renewables.  Wind farms are awesome in places with wind; tidal generators are great along places with tides; wave generators are great in places with a lot of swells; snowfall in places with lots of snow; solar farms are great for sunny areas...the list can go on.  The key is how to utilize the immediate environment for energy production.  For my own personal use? Like in ones home? Probably geothermal.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: Mr. Bojangles] * 1
    #25945912 - 04/20/19 03:29 PM (5 years, 30 days ago)

  geothermal heating cooling

  fan to electric generator


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: ellomello]
    #25945918 - 04/20/19 03:33 PM (5 years, 30 days ago)

Awesome videos.

Also, Happy BirfDay! :bongload:

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #25946035 - 04/20/19 04:27 PM (5 years, 30 days ago)

I really like solar, but I wish the panels could be more efficient on cloudy days or during the winter.

Have you ever seen people on YouTube make fidget spinners "forever" spin by using magnets?

There is a video that goes further and the spinning object powers a lightbulb.

I wonder if this can be used on a large scale.. or if it's all bs


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: XUL]
    #25946113 - 04/20/19 05:09 PM (5 years, 30 days ago)

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Have you ever seen people on YouTube make fidget spinners "forever" spin by using magnets?

There is a video that goes further and the spinning object powers a lightbulb.

I wonder if this can be used on a large scale.. or if it's all bs



the problem being hidden in the design, it takes a lot of infrastructure to produce high powered magnets, plus the maufacture of bearings, and all the other parts, but once the generator is built it may produce enough power to offset its cost, but its manufacture is still costing human time and resources not to mention the environmental cost to dig up the materials, so maybe not much of a game changer


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: killingravensun]
    #25951837 - 04/23/19 09:29 PM (5 years, 27 days ago)

Been buying the wind energy credits from the power company. They use the money to buy more wind towers. I live close to a wind farm, so it helps me feel like I'm helping my local community as well.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: goffa]
    #25952261 - 04/24/19 06:12 AM (5 years, 27 days ago)

What do you get in return?


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: XUL]
    #25952273 - 04/24/19 06:24 AM (5 years, 27 days ago)

A thank you card in the mail around Christmas time. They try to supply most of my power with wind vs coal powers. Basically nothing, except potentially cleaner air.


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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: killingravensun]
    #25953479 - 04/24/19 07:15 PM (5 years, 26 days ago)

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XUL said:
Have you ever seen people on YouTube make fidget spinners "forever" spin by using magnets?

There is a video that goes further and the spinning object powers a lightbulb.

I wonder if this can be used on a large scale.. or if it's all bs



the problem being hidden in the design, it takes a lot of infrastructure to produce high powered magnets, plus the maufacture of bearings, and all the other parts, but once the generator is built it may produce enough power to offset its cost, but its manufacture is still costing human time and resources not to mention the environmental cost to dig up the materials, so maybe not much of a game changer



The bigger issue is that magnets don't store energy and that those fidget spinners are being spun around by something (like compressed air) literally pushing on them.

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #25955002 - 04/25/19 03:43 PM (5 years, 25 days ago)

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Whats your favorite type of alternative energy source?




Geothermal and biogas.

I'm quite fond of as broad-as-possible energy mix held together by small scale Molten Salt Reactors.


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    #25961248 - 04/28/19 07:15 PM (5 years, 22 days ago)

Nuclear.

The newer technology is illegal in the US, but Russia just fired up their first Gen4 reactor, which has a theoretical fuel efficiency greater than one. Basically, they can harvest energy not just from primary decay, but from all the other decay step that happen as well. This also opens up the path to gen5, which has theoretically no radioactive waste, because it breaks the material down into safe isotopes. Of course, anything past Gen3 is illegal in the US, not only to build, but to research as well. US really screwed the pooch there. Fuckin' TMI and Jane Fonda.

Right now, the only reason nuclear plants are prohibitively expensive is because LNG is cheap and hydrocarbons are heavily subsidized. US taxpayers pay extra to buy fossil fuel power, which drives nuclear plants to bankruptcy.

Solar has been making great strides lately (in China, not the US. They're the leaders of solar tech right now), but the best solar panels are horribly toxic, and the safe ones barely generate power.

Wind is cool, but limited. There ust isn't enough wind power to take over the grid, at least, not unless we imminent domain all beachfront property and replace it with windmills. I'd add tidal energy to this as well. Need to take a bunch of beach property to make tidal power.

Geothermal is not feasible in the US. There aren't enough hotspots. Iceland can run off geothermal power, and they do. The US cannot. Also, fracking fucks up future geothermal development.

Biodiesel, or biomass in general, is a possibility, but not a good one. It's got very little positive power from a closed cycle. How to explain that sentence...? Let's say... you're generating biodiesel power, sustainably, right? 90% of that power is going to making more biodiesel. 10% is usable.

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    #25965079 - 04/30/19 07:53 PM (5 years, 20 days ago)

Buncha smart cookies

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Re: Alternative Energy [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26246430 - 10/12/19 01:52 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Japan has just recently developed technology to harness energy from typhoons. Turning destructive weather into energy. Pretty awesome: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/super-typhoon-hagibis-could-new-tech-turn-japans-super-storms-into-50-years-of-power/ar-AAID3Gc?ocid=spartanntp

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The product of a Japanese start-up called Challenergy, technology called the Magnus Vertical Axis Wind Turbine (VAWT) could make use of those damaging winds. Instead of the traditional propellers found on regular wind turbines, Magnus VAWT has a rotating cylinders that power a vertical-axis generator. It relies on the ‘Magnus effect’, a phenomenon that explains why air curves when passing by a spinning object. A Magnus VAWT turbine consequently has three vertical cylinders that rotate around a vertical axis to generate power. It’s already been tested in Nanjo City in Okinawa, Japan, where it withstood wind speeds of 225kph/140mph.

Although they’re don’t appear to be as efficient as regular wind turbines, if Magnus VAWT turbines can capture even some of the kinetic energy from a typhoon, that won’t matter.



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    #26247179 - 10/12/19 11:27 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

These are super cool. I just spent 2 hours reading this instead of what i was supposed to be doing. Thanks guys.

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    #26248196 - 10/12/19 06:45 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

This project gets around the storage problem with wind and solar.

The Kidston Pumped Hydro Project is set to begin construction early next year, after the wet season.
The Queensland State government has backed this project along with Genexpower

The bonus is it turns a dis-used mine site into a giant battery that can store and deliver 250 Megawatts over 8hrs / 2000 Megawatt/Hr



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